Does space bend In a pure vacuum ?

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  1. river

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    Without the physical there is no time .

    To explore this more we have to discuss space its self .

    Why is there space ? james R .

    The question is really out there for anybody to give an answer to my above question .

    I have my answer .
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Space and time evolved at t+10-43 seconds and is now modeled as a unified multi-dimensional framework within which it is possible to locate events and describe the relationships between them. The concept of spacetime follows from the observation that the speed of light is invariant, and constant. Spacetime allows a description of reality that is common for all observers in the universe, regardless of their relative motion. Intervals of space and time considered separately are not the same for all observers.
    Time exists, along with space...fact!
    Neither need anything physical to exist.


    Because there is time and both evolved together...see previous answer.

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    I'm pretty sure you are not interested in any answer river, and simply are doing your darndest, to continue to re-enforce your own basic thoughts and pseudoscience take on the universe and all it entails. Sad.
     
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    Explain the logic of your last statement , pad ; quote ; ( from your post # 282 )

    Time exists, along with space...fact!
    Neither need anything physical to exist .
     
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    Time exists...self explanatory...space exists...self explanatory, and from that we model spacetime.
    Roughly speaking, Space and time evolved at t+10-43 seconds...that's as far as we can go back with any sort of certainty. Nothing physical existed.
    Together, space and time, was the superforce, or the conglomeration of the four known forces we see today [gravity, EMF, strong nuclear and weak nuclear] ...there was no form, no atoms, no nothing, until around 10-35 seconds when the superforce started to decouple, as space expanded, and our first fundamentals were formed. That's it in a basic nutshell.
    Now of course there are variables to consider that help to explain a couple of anomalies that still existed, like the flatness problem and isotropic and homegenous nature of the universe....Inflation was formulated much later by Alan Guth and variations on that exist.
    All in all though, the BB stands as overwhelmingly supported as the theory of universal evolution.
    That's the way it is at this time river, not withstanding the unsupported alternative unevidenced nonsense you sometimes crow about and which obviously is only fit for pseudoscience.
     
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    But you have not explained your last statement . That both space and time can exist without anything physical existing .
     
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    I don't need to explain it. It's what the evidence tells us. It evolved at the BB. And despite your continued probing questions, you have been told many many times, that as yet, we do not know the why or the how of the BB, except that it was the evolution of space and time [as we know them] from a very hot dense state that expanded and continues to expand.
     
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    The crazy part about all your probing questions river, is that none of the lesser alternatives to the BB, that you seem to propose, can explain the same queries you try and deride the BB with...none of them. The BB stands as our supreme model, because it matches our observational and experimental data far better then any alternative. That's science river.
     
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    You have no idea what science actually is pad .
     
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    It's not me that's been banished from the "science forums"river

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    You have no idea what science actually is pad .
     
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    Trolling again river? But anyway my posts show science and the scientific methodology as evidenced...post 268, 269, 270, 271, 275, 282, 285 for starters...
    Let me make it easy for you since you have nothing really to add to science.
    Tell me, what do you propose instead of the BB?
    What evidence points to this hypothetical proposal?
    Tell me, how does any of your favoured alternatives explain before t=10-43 seconds?
    Explain please why if no physical there is no time? with evidence of course river, not just your say so.
    OK river, enough for now....can you answer those with observational and/or experimental support, as opposed to your say so?
     
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    My Cosmology .

    If I remember right , is the third page in this title threads history .
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, I remember that nonsense...just your usual unsupported, unevidenced say so. I'm asking for evidence of any of your claims. If you don't have any then just say so.
     
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    Dark energy and dark matter are within my theory and explained .
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You do not have a theory, and no, they were not explained.
    Now again, I have asked you a series of questions, stop side stepping, stop trolling and answer them.
     
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    Care to discuss , why I don't have a theory pad ?
     
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    Other then the fact that you do not yet know what a scientific theory is, no I see as much to gain from educating you of that fact, as there was when you made the crazy claim that Alien species have had an atomic war on Mars.

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