Does time exist?

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Sibilia, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    False equivalence. The clocks themselves age physically, but unless they have a calendar built in, they work circularly in 12 hr cycles. It is impossible to derive an age from a regular clock. That's why we have created different time-frames for specific measurements, such as *half-life*, *military-time*.

    Moreover, a stationary clock will run at a different speed when accelerated. At what point can true*age* be measured and established.

    Tme counts passage of duration (chronology) in specific increments. Age is the sum total number of increments expressed as an equation (=), i.e. Age = sum of Time increments..

    This is similar to the *Half-Windsor* tie-knot = mathematical sequence of specific actions.
    Half-Windsor = Li +Ro + Ci + Lo + Ri + Co + T
    Water = H2O
    Age = sum of arbitrary time increments

    The term *Age* has no value in and of itself. It must be equated with *time of duration*
     
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  3. Sibilia Registered Senior Member

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    Michael 345 said: "change is called age not time"
     
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  5. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry have not replied just yet been busy

    Part of my busy was finding my electronic book The Invention of Space and Time from which many of my ideas come from

    I then Bluetoothed the book over to my phone from which I make post

    It will make it possible to cut and paste which is easier than read and type

    Now I need time to even do cut and paste

    Cheers
     
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  7. Sibilia Registered Senior Member

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    Michael 345 said: "We measure age"

    The age is a particular time of animated or inanimated being.

    See post 289 page 15.
     
  8. Sibilia Registered Senior Member

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    PHILOCHRON CLASSIFICATION OF BEINGS

    According to their duration, things are classified in: Eternal, enduring, perishable, ephemeral, fleeting and non-existent.

    A) Eternal things have no beginning or end; Like space. For believers, God and Paradise are eternal.

    B) Lasting things last a long time. They are divided into:

    - Centenarians, if they last from 100 to 999 years. For example the spruce tree and the saguaro cactus.

    - Millennials, from 1000 to 999,000 years. The redwood trees.

    - Millionaire, more than a million years. The geological eras, the life of the planets and the stars.

    C) Perishable things are short-lived; They last from one day to 99 years. The life of the human being.

    D) Ephemeral things are short-lived, some hours.

    E) The fleeting things are of very short duration, some seconds or fractions of second. The flicker, the heart rate.

    F) Non-existence is lack of existence, without duration. Planet X between Mars and Jupiter. All things have existence and essence.

    Elvis Sibilia, September 16, 2012
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    At what point in this thread did "does time exist" morph into "can time affect things by itself"?

    The question is:
    "Does time exist?"
    The answer is, unequivocally, yes.
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OK if you say so
     
  11. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    The answer is a firm unequivocal no questions asked may be debatable possible or not uncertainty if you think about it and taking everything into consideration we may or might not know even if we get more information we will be unsure
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I found the electronic book The Invention of Space and Time and this is a small extract

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    But there is no time in pure mathematics.
    Although the concept is used in applied mathematics (in mathematical models of
    physics), its nature has never been described by mathematicians. When we analyze a mathematical model, a field model effect tends to make us believe that time is an active factor in evolving systems, and that time is a physical phenomenon. In fact, time is a reference parameter; it is an abstract concept, rather than a physical phenomenon.
    The characteristics of temporality can be summarised:
    • There are no time sources and no time detection.
    • Time is physically powerless with respect to variations or changes such as aging.
    • The phenomenology of time, including the arrow of time, collapses.
    • The definitions were developed through conceptual correspondences.
    • Time is not a component of the Universe: time does not contain any information about the Universe and time is not necessary for reporting phenomena, e.g., the Big Bang occurred c. 13.7 billion years ago, which is equivalent to 13.7 billion terrestrial revolutions.

    This attests to the idea that time has no physical properties, which is a major
    additional argument in favour of the idea that time does not exist:

    NO PHYSICAL PROPERTIES = PHYSICAL INEXISTENCE

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    I'm not sure if I have picked the best example

    That would entail cut and paste the whole book

    If you can find the book its a good read but on the heavy side

    Cheers
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. Time emerges from mathematical functions.
    I agree, time does not exist for something that does not exist..
    I agree, Time has NO physical existence. Obviously the equation is flawed. It should read,
    "NO PHYSICAL PROPERTIES = NO PHYSICAL EXISTENCE".

    Time itself has no mathematical function except as a by-product, expressed in arbitrary increments of duration, such as the regular 24hr rotation of the moon around the earth.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Correction. That last paragraph about duration of rotation around the sun should read
    ,
     
  15. Sibilia Registered Senior Member

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    TIME IS NOT AN ILLUSION

    The horizon is the visual limit of the earth's surface, where the sky and the earth seem to gather together. In a reflexive approach, we realize that time is part of a trilogy: becoming-duration-time. Becoming is the continuous succession of unrepeatable changes (becoming flows). The duration is the relation between two sequential moments. Time is the variable that increases continuously (time is mathematical). When we think that time is an illusion we do not differentiate between this one, becoming and duration, We see time as an invisible river that drags us all.

    PS: The concept of duality becoming-duration (time) changes to the becoming-duration-time Trilogy.
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry don't see connection

    So becoming never actually becomes?

    What would have becoming become if it stopped becoming?

    Duration is age not time

    I can't really pick this apart

    Some might I don't

    I'm not aware of this concept of duality becoming trilogy

    This is the first I have seen this concept mentioned

    The whole post has a sort of mystical tone

    I will post again my views

    Time does not exist
    Time does not flow
    Time does not have any direction
    Only NOW exist
    The PAST does not exist
    The FUTURE does not exist
     
  17. river Valued Senior Member

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    No , duration , is the movement between two objects .


    Duration is about movement between two or more things .
     
  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    du·ra·tion
    \du̇-ˈrā-shən also dyu̇-\
    noun
    • : the length of time that something exists or lasts
    Full Definition
    • 1 : continuance in time
    • 2 : the time during which somethingexists or lasts
    Examples
    • for the whole duration of the speech the bored audience fidgeted
    • scientists warning that the very duraton of our civilization depends upon finding a solution to this major environmental problem
    First use: 14th century
    Synonyms: continuance, date, life, life span, lifetime, run, standing, time
    Antonyms: cessation, close, discontinuance, discontinuity, end, ending, expiration, finish, stoppage, surcease, termination

    Mirriam-Webster

    May I respectfully suggest you send your definetion to Mirriam-Webster for inclusion in their next reprint

    Humpty

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  19. river Valued Senior Member

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    then the definition is incomplete .

    duration is about movement not measured between two or more things
     
  20. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Tell Mirriam-Webster and please post their response here to enlighten the rest of us
     
  21. river Valued Senior Member

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    I just might do that .
     
  22. Sibilia Registered Senior Member

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    Another definition of duration is: Duration is the continuous and defined permanence of things and their changes in a particular place, state or condition.

    Another analogous trilogy is: space-extension-length
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, understanding *time* is akin to understanding *distance*. Neither can exist independently, but both are the result of measurement of change.
     

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