Does time exist?

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The distance between the Q and the P on my laptop can have a measurement without involving changes or time.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Try again.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No, that will do nicely. My example refutes your assertion.

    'Try again' is a non-response.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Your example is incorrect, IMO.
    Read my original statement again, more closely.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You're just re-insisting its true, with no elaboration.
    I read your post, and responded, showing a distance that exists independent of time and change.
    If you think otherwise, you'll need to assert it.
     
  9. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Michael 345 said: I'm not aware of this concept of duality becoming trilogy
    This is the first I have seen this concept mentioned.


    These are recent ideas within the evolution of the Philochrony.
     
  10. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    OK

    Sounds in the language of the day (or more of 60's 70's) a bit airy fairy and not something I will be following

    Cheers for the info

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  11. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    From the post 712:Time is the variable that increases continuously (time is mathematical).

    Time is the variable that increases continuously causing:
    a) aging,
    b) deterioration of things and
    c) the succession of events.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, I didn't want to hijack the thread, but if you insist:
    How far is distance without measurement of length of known coordinates?
    What is time without measurement of duration of known change?

    By settings reference points P and Q you have already measured the length of a distance, which now may no longer be variable but exists in time as a measurement.

    I posited that the prope4rties of *distance* (not a distance) are akin to the properties of time in that they do not exist independent of measurement. Both are variable results of asurements of change.or duration.

    Point being that neither is a causal function, but a result of a host of prior functions
     
  13. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    In an unmeasured distance there is no change.
    Is the measurement of distance a change?
    But the distance does not vary when measured.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, measurement is the "fixing" of a distance from a variable unknown to a known value at a known time.
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I understand measurement to be

    the allocation of arbitrary units

    between arbitrary points and giving the result

    the arbitrary name of measurement

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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If you like. My point was that the same rationale applies to Time, where the arbitrary increments are expressed as units of time instead of units of distance.
    This similarity is used in the use of the term "light-year", which is an expression of distance as well as time.
     
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  17. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure how much you have seen of other post

    From my understanding of time from my readings, a very interesting book, The Invention of Space and Time, and a few others

    Here goes

    TIME does not exist
    The PAST does not exist
    The FUTURE does not exist
    NOW only exist
    There is no direction of time
    No arrow of time

    From the book

    But there is no time in pure mathematics.
    Although the concept is used in applied mathematics (in mathematical models of
    physics), its nature has never been described by mathematicians. When we analyze a mathematical model, a field model effect tends to make us believe that time is an active factor in evolving systems, and that time is a physical phenomenon. In fact, time is a reference parameter; it is an abstract concept, rather than a physical phenomenon.


    My emphasis

    and

    Time is not a component of the Universe: time does not contain any information
    about the Universe
    and time is not necessary for reporting phenomena, e.g., the Big Bang occurred c. 13.7 billion years ago, which is equivalent to 13.7 billion
    terrestrial revolutions.

    This attests to the idea that time has no physical properties, which is a major
    additional argument in favour of the idea that time does not exist:

    NO PHYSICAL PROPERTIES = PHYSICAL INEXISTENCE


    My emphasis

    This similarity is used in the use of the term "light-year", which is an expression of distance as well as time

    Light year refers to the distance

    (arbitrary unit between two arbitrary points - start point end point)

    light travels in one year

    (arbitrary unit - start NOW end NOW)

    Think of the lead photon

    Leaves start point at start NOW

    Arrives end point at end NOW

    The lead photon has AGED one year

    (arbitrary unit)

    The lead photon has NOT measured time

    The AGE has been imposed onto the photon because it travelled a arbitrary unit (distance)

    Other post attack the concept of time from the idea of a movie which I won't repeat here at NOW

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm, is that not what I posited?
     
  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    My pretzel of a brain has become even more twisted under this thread so I have lost track

    I am not sure if your position is time exist or time does not exist

    That's a defect in my pretzel not a reflection on your post

    The section of the post you replied to with ' Hmmm, is that not what I posited? ' is from the book so while I agree with the statement I do not claim it as being mine

    This statement has two aspects as you note ' distance ' and ' time '

    Both as you also note use arbitrary units

    This is what I find tricky to explain but here goes

    The distance measurement can be repeated since a start and finish co-ordinates exist and are available to revisit

    There is only a single NOW in which we exist

    There are no existing other NOWs available to visit (ie time travel)

    Yes the past start NOW and finish NOW can be imagined and the AGE between them calculated

    Same for all NOWs

    AGE between them can be established BUT none can ever be visited

    The term light year mixing as it does a distance unit and a time unit gives an impression both exist

    Distance does

    Time does not

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    See posts 710 and 729
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I would like to do just that

    However my post are sent from a Huawei RIO L02 mobile phone with a 5" screen which for some reason does not number the post

    I'm to lazy to check though 37 pages to find number 710 and 729 which would take up some time to count

    Sorry

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  22. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    THE PUZZLE OF TIME

    Time is the variable that ACTUATES continuously causing:
    a) aging,
    b) the deterioration of things,
    c) the succession of events and
    d) the duration of things

    - The measure of time is a mathematical entity
    - We perceive changes
    - We do not perceive the time intervals
    - The units of time are intelligible
    - At 65 years old I have only changed my appearance: child, adolescent, adult and elderly.
    - The past are memories and the future expectations
     
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  23. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Past can be considered as Certainty, because the event has occurred and it is known. Future can be considered as Uncertainty, because it is still unknown, the event is yet to happen.Even if the future is uncertain or unknown, it still can be predicted with the known laws.

    In this context, "Present" can be considered as a link between the "Certainty" and "Uncertainty". Present is some sort of mechanism through which the uncertainty gets converted into certainty.
     
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