Does time exist?

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    And your years are called......?

    Come on you can do it

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    Time
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Nooooo

    Nobody says I am 70 times old

    Not even those with Alzheimer's

    Like to try again?

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  7. river

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  8. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    The second definition of time is the moment in what an event occurs.
    The moment can be of the day (hour), of the year (date) and of the history.

    The first definition of time is in the post # 747.

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  9. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    WHAT IS THE FUTURE?

    The future is the set of events that have not happened. These events may be possible (the tomorrow day) and fortuitous (a car accident). The future can be close (hours, days) and far (years, decades).
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    At the age of 15 I felt that Time was walking.

    At 35 I felt Time was running.

    Now with 53 I feel that Time flies.
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Hi

    My access here is on a Android phone

    The post are not numbered on my format

    My take on time is as follows

    Time does not exist
    Time does not flow
    Time does not have any direction
    Only NOW exist
    The PAST does not exist
    The FUTURE does not exist

    Below is a excellent description followed by the reference

    If you drop every model, something surprising happens.

    They are not needed.

    For example, you can view your daily life as occurring entirely in the present moment.

    The present moment is not a clock phenomenon.

    Clocks measure intervals--seconds, minutes, hours--while the present moment has no interval.

    It's always here, endlessly renewing itself, unmeasurable, and fleeting.

    Because the instant you try to capture it, it's gone.

    This implies that the "now" is actually outside time.

    It can be defined either as instantaneous or eternal.

    Both are valid as verbal descriptions but in the end invalid, since the vocabulary of time doesn't apply to the timeless.

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  11. river

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    Michael has grown
     
  12. dr9090 Registered Member

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    dp/dt forces physics to treat "Space" (set of all possible positions) and "Time" (set of all possible moments per position) as 'real'.. but it doesn't force or imply that either "Space" or "Time" are physical, material entities that can be described like fluids or puppy dogs or chunks of fishing line.

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  13. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    THE MATERIAL AND THE ABSTRACT

    The abstract is the general relation in things.

    The events that occured no longer exist.

    The triangle is abstract, it exists.

    The philochron line is abstract, it exists.

    Duration exists.
     
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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The triangle is abstract, it exists

    ab·stract
    \ab-ˈstrakt, ˈab-ˌ\
    adjective
    • : relating to or involving generalideas or qualities rather thanspecific people, objects, or actions
    Mirriam-Webster

    Nooooooo

    Unless you are talking about the musical instrument

    The philochron line is abstract, it exists

    The phyllochron is the intervening period between the sequential emergence of leaves on the main stem of a plant, also rendered as leaf appearance

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllochron

    What this has to do with time?????

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  15. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Michael 345, I am talking about "philochron line" not "phyllochron"

    .............Duration
    -- RM ----------------->-------------------------
    .........Past ........... Present ........ Future

    RM: reference moment
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    My apologies

    Combination of a late night and dyslexia

    However philochron line the duration would be AGE not time

    From one particular NOW to another particular NOW is AGE

    AGE is not time

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  18. dr9090 Registered Member

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    "AGE"..."duration"... "t1--t0"... If "time" isn't real, they're all just fancy terms for 'zero'.
    In the ancient metaphysics, the minimum requirement to say a thing EXISTS was that it have extension.
    So any thing which has a non-zero AGE exhibits temporal extension and thus demonstrates the existence of "time" -- regardless of presence of any 'substance' or 'plenum'.

    (The same goes for any non-zero volume demonstrating "space".)

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If you think time exist please when you have collected a sample let me know

    Depending on whether you have collected it as a
    • Gas
    • Liquid
    • Solid
    • Plasma or
    • Other
    let me know how much you have collected and I will arrange for a suitable container to be sent to you with prepaid postage back to me

    If you collect to much I will arrange for a large museum to place it on display

    I await with breathless anticipation

    Cheers

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  20. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Michael 345, time is measured by counting sequential intervals of equal duration.

    We can not measure something that does not exist.

    If it is measured it is physical.
     
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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The measurements of which you speak are arbitrary and do not relate to any physicality

    The intervals of which you speak are from one randomly picked NOW to a further randomly picked NOW

    The change between the two is denoted AGE

    What exist is NOW

    The PAST does not exist
    The FUTURE does not exist
    Only NOW has existence
    Time does not exist
    Time does not flow
    Time does not have any direction

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    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/

    If you drop every model, something surprising happens.

    They are not needed.

    For example, you can view your daily life as occurring entirely in the present moment.

    The present moment is not a clock phenomenon.

    Clocks measure intervals--seconds, minutes, hours--while the present moment has no interval.

    It's always here, endlessly renewing itself, unmeasurable, and fleeting.

    Because the instant you try to capture it, it's gone.

    This implies that the "now" is actually outside time.

    It can be defined either as instantaneous or eternal.

    Both are valid as verbal descriptions but in the end invalid, since the vocabulary of time doesn't apply to the timeless.

    ****

    ALL highlights are mine

    I do have more which I can post much of which has already been posted

    But at the moment it is just past 5am in the morning here in Darwin Australia and I need a bit more sleep

    In the meantime I am not sure what time it is where you live but if you can parcel up some of this physical time of which you speak I will pay you at the rate of $10 for every physical second up to 10 seconds worth

    That will take care of 10 of my friends Christmas presents

    When I ask for help they frequently say "In a second"

    Once I receive your parcel of seconds I will be able to give them one within which they can help

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  22. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    All units of measure are arbitrary, but they are quantities of some physical properties of things.

    Using your own ideas, time is transnow or transmoment (duration).
     
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  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    quantities of some physical properties of things

    Sorry that does not make sense

    time is transnow or transmoment (duration)

    Neither does that and I'm sure it doesn't come from my idea of time which is pure and simple

    Time does not exist

    I wish I could claim the ideas as mine

    Much of my ideas about time come from a book which I will chase up later

    Meantime I will claim the following which I posted already but worth repeating

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    But I can have another shot with a slightly different take on my time like a movie style explanation

    By the way it relates to any visual recording medium just film is the easiest medium to visualise

    Lay out on a bench a strip of movie film

    Looking at each frame you see a sequence of stills

    Between the stills is a break

    Running the film through the projector the light is cut off when the break is passing between the light and the projector lens (and on to the screen)

    Run the film at high speed when making the movie and normal speed when playing back and you get slow motion

    Run the film at very slow speed when making the movie and normal speed when playing back you get time lapse or stop motion (have to put time lapse because that is the current definetion - not what I would have put)

    There are other effects you can manipulate film to show but not in relation to this post

    Now stop the movie so only one frame is shown (as this is a thought bubble forget about the film bursting into flames)

    So
    Projector stopped
    Single frame being shown

    Now as you look at the screen you see the subjects still moving

    What is going on?

    The subjects moving in the single frame are NOW

    Those in the single frame being shown cannot move down to the frames below the lens which is the past

    They also cannot move up to the frames above the lens which is the the future

    Check back at the projector
    Film not moving
    Single frame being shown
    Strip of film below the lens is the past but as far as lens is concerned it does not exist
    Strip of film above the lens is the future but as far as the lens is concerned it does not exist

    But wait there is more

    It is fact it is mistake to view TIME as a movie with a succession of still frames

    NOW has always been a single frame not needing old frames as past and new frames as future

    So now we can consider TIME as a single SLIDE in a slide projector

    Now our puzzle is how physics produces a smooth single unbroken NOW full of movement and change (which are somewhat the same)

    Anybody???

    PS

    Still waiting on the packet of 10 individual seconds

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