Does time exist?

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  1. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    If the past EXIST (it doesn't but you claim it does)
    why is it nobody goes there for a visit? or go to the future to see what you will be doing?

    Only NOW exist and NOW is the only moment any observer is capable of experiencing

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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, here is where I think Michael has it more right than wrong.

    We cannot observe the past (nor the future, but the past in particular). Unless recorded, either in our memories or some other medium, the past is gone. All we can do is observe the present recording of the past. But it is not actually the past being observed.

    There are a number of tests we could do to prove that we only have access to a (necessarily incomplete) recording of the past, and that we do not actually observe the past itself.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The SMBH at the Milky Way's centre exists too, but no one goes there for a visit.
    That is not a test of existing.
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    The centre of the Milky Way does not get visited because it just happens to be to far away

    The past and or the future do not get visited because they don't exist

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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Your argument that: if the past existed, we should be able to visit it. The implication being that, since we cannot visit it, that proves it doesn't exist.
    That is a faulty argument - a non sequitur.

    So you are back to the original opinion (pre-post 921), simply, that "time doesn't exist". But that hasn't been substantiated in post 921 or after.
     
  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    a non sequitur

    True enough

    However I will stand by why have we not visited the past and or the future when it would be soooo cool to do so

    I could add another couple of non sequitur there are no Scientist working on time travel machines, no Scientist working on a past/future viewing machine

    That does not stop a Doc Brown working on one in his garage

    I will consult with a few more souls who know more on the subject than Huey Dewey and Louie

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  10. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    THE MAGNITIVE

    The magnitive is the property of beings that can be measured, but It is imperceptible. The magnitive is objective, but not concrete; for example in Physics: force, gravity and time. We feel weight, but not gravity.

    Magnitive (created by Asexperia) is a modification of the word magnitude.
     
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  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    An interesting solution: name the ineffable quality.
    I do wonder if there is an existing word though.
     
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  12. river Valued Senior Member

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    And time is .....
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The ineffable "magnitive" that causes clocks to tick.

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  14. river Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah sure Dave , whatever .
     
  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    This magnative????

    Magnitive is a uniquely stackable board game designed to help dyslexic children learn to read, write and spell. Focusing on visual and tacit cues, the game allows children to make learning an adventure while ‘building-up’ language skills. Complete with several decks of phonetic learning cards, players can win new terrain pieces that forge a different adventure every time. The powerful magnetics embedded in each piece make playing and configuring pieces memorizing, addictive, magnetic and interactive... Magnitive!

    https://www.connect.ecuad.ca/people/work/125530

    I always thought it was a coiled spring under tension or a quartz type crystal

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  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I always called it Cowpat

    If there is a large amount Woo Woo Cowpat

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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    ?

    He's only suggesting a label - for something we are all already talking about.
     
  18. river Valued Senior Member

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    Then why the " label " ?
     
  19. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Magnative is non existent (as he is using the word)
    Are you saying it can be a word label for the subject of Does Time Exist?

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  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    To identify them as a group that has a property in-common. He points out, in post #927, some things with similar properties. Time and gravity are both examples of phenomena we see the effects of, but cannot observe, or even measure, directly.

    Time is what allows clocks to move. But no one has ever seen time, only its effects on other things.
    Gravity is what causes things to draw together. But no one has ever seen gravity, only its effects on other things.

    All he is doing is acknowledging the similar property among different things, and giving the set of like-things a label.

    I'm not defending it, or backing it, simply finding it to be food for thought.
     
  21. river Valued Senior Member

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    time has nothing to do with anything moving . Clocks or otherwise .

    time is the measurement of duration .
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Without time, clocks do not move.

    And duration is...
     
  23. river Valued Senior Member

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    The movement of things , without measure .
     

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