Does time exist?

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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly.

    So:
    The exact same time is recorded using completely different durations.

    Thus,
    is false.

    Since I have just shown time to be distinct from duration.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If we assume that time is an emergent property of duration of a chronology, then time would depend on the measurement of the duration of that chronology. But chronology of physical events answer to GR and time of duration would be subject to the laws of GR, which introduces a variable, if I understand correctly.

    Therefore, can an argument be made that time is not necessarily distinct from duration, but that duration of a chronology itself is a relative variable phenomenon, dependent on the point of observation?
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It's pretty apparent from the words you're using to describe things (duration, chronology) that time is the foundation, and all the others are specific qualifiers of that one.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    If you assume that infinity has an existence of its own, but I believe is a debatable subject.. Only if you consider the existence of a dyamic coninuous universe does time become an emergent property.

    A static infinity has no time as it has no center or local dynamic events. In an infinitite "condition" time is not an emergent property., a trillion years would not be different than a single second. Time would start with dynamical change, such as the BB.

    This is why we count the beginning of time from the BB, not before then, where time would have no meaning. IMO opinion no time can be associated with the concept of infinity.
    .Similar to Hilbert's hotel with an infinite number of rooms, which creaes a narural paradox.
     
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  8. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    False.
    Measures of time or duration are: the time, the date and the period.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Duration requires two events in time. Otherwise, you do not have a duration.

    ... as you have just shown, above, where you explicitly point out, in three distinct examples that:
    • the given Unix time is relative to ("since") Unix time 00000:
    • the given calendar date is relative to the beginning of the year:
    and
    • the given time is relative to the beginning of today:
    The more you post, the more you contradict yourself.
     
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  10. river

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    Duration is simply movements of an object and/or objects in space .

    The measurment of the duration not required .

    Duration is the Natural movement of any object .
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We JUST showed this to be FALSE. YOU WERE THERE.

    No movement = no duration = no existence.

    Yet these unmoving rocks clearly continue to have a duration.
     
  12. river

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    Yes of course

    Duration of existence . Thousand , million , billion yrs of existence .
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Whether or not they were moving.
     
  14. river

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    Yes

    And yes I know that seems I have contradicted myself on duration and time .

    It doesn't and here is why .

    Duration is movement that is not measured . Time is the measure of that movement by duration or better , deeper , duration , is movement in any form . From atomic structure to molecules by atomics .

    From erosion , changing mountains form to boulders , to rocks , to sand . And all these form changes are do to duration of the form . And the opposite is all about duration , mountains made and continue to be made .
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Since they exist and have duration whether or not they move, it must follow that duration is independent of movement.
     
  16. river

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    Wrong

    It shows that movement has many forms of ...
     
  17. BWE1 Rulers are for measuring. Registered Senior Member

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    only because the observer moves.
     
  18. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    No.
    Time or duration requires two events in becoming.

    There is no contradiction in my opinion; I have just changed
    my point of view.
     
  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Time requires no "event" to exist. Period. A duration requires there be a "start" time and an "end" time - that is, the duration is the time that has passed between two fixed points in time.

    Your opinion is just that - your own, unsupported, unscientific, and repeatedly invalidated opinion.

    If you want to work with science, then you need to work with evidence.
     
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  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Probably not - a crap waffle is still crap.

    For proof of this, well, just look up Waffle Stomp... (warning - certainly NSFW, and honestly, NSFL - Not Safe For Life).
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Ya I guess you are right
    New thought. Can Asexperia crap be placed in a large waste disposal truck and carted somewhere out of contamination range?

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  23. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    You're wrong. You're confusing time with moment.
    What's your definition of time?
     
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