Does time exist?

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  1. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    Since science seems to be going with the fact that energy is indestructible, only convertible, energy must be fundamental, of infinite duration. Duration is time, even if it has no beginning, so:
    Can that duration be called energytime?
    If there were particles virtually popping in and out of existence during that pre-BB energy-loaded time, they must have had a place to do that in, so :
    Can we call that area, or era, timespace?
    Then, we could have a whole universe pop or better, bang into existence in a small point (singularity) in energy time space. without violating any known laws.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Energy is an accounting system.

    This much, in the form of electromagnetically radiating photons,
    can be converted to
    That much, in the form of momentum of a moving mass (kinetic energy)
    can be converted to
    that much gravitational potential of a mass in a gravity well (potential energy).

    Notice, energy is always the property of something. It does not stand on its own.


    Compare to
    a dollar paper note
    can be converted to
    100 pennies.

    The accounting book and exchange rate is the energy, not the coins or notes.
     
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  5. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    so do we have to assume then, that the universe's mass was made, converted solely from an accounting system, an (perhaps fluctuating) exchange rate?
    I mean in the BB we are talking about total conversion from zero to Virgin Mass, not just a small fraction, as in our reverse nuclear efforts.
    When thinking energytime, it should not be considered photons, or permittive potentials, but an ur-energy form , that while carrying the right "exchange value" is not defined by our spacetime laws or terms.
     
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  7. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    sorry, well, try it anyway, it has a very interesting illustration of all three, the emitter, the message and the receiver all moving through time in concert, clarifying the time delay conundruming
     
  8. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    PROVING THAT TIME IS MAGNITIVE

    1- Think of an hourglass.

    2- The fall of the grains of sand is becoming, which is perceptible.

    3- Between the beginning and the end of the sand fall there is a time interval. This interval is objective, but imperceptible because we only see one moment at a time. Time is composed of non-coexistent moments.

    4- We can use the movement of the sand as a unit of measurement because it is periodic and with uniform velocity.

    5- We can also use a chronometer to determine the duration of the clock.

    6- In 4 and 5 we notice that we can use patterns to quantify time.

    7- Therefore, time is magnitive, that is, objective, imperceptible and measurable.

    Asexperia
     
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  9. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    My hourglass is a 3 minutes egg timer which smashed on the kitchen floor

    What's magnitive objective, imperceptible and measurable.about that?

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  10. TheFrogger Registered Member

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    ...it stayed broked...
     
  11. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    And my eggs were runny or hard when I had to guess how long they were cooking for

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  12. RainbowSingularity Registered Senior Member

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    how 'long'(?) or how "much" ?
    if the heat was never raised past a certain point would it matter how long they cooked for ?

    thus time in this eggcelent egsample is realative

    energy alone does not solve the egquation ?
    time alone does not solve the egquation ?
     
  13. TheFrogger Registered Member

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    Eggcellent puns rainbowsingularity.
     
  14. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Convincing ...
     
  15. Michael 345 In China - finding my way :) Valued Senior Member

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    If you have to answer your own stupid post NO

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  16. TheFrogger Registered Member

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    An hourglass measures changes in space, and gravity. Not time.
     
  17. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    That's what you observe; becoming. An hourglass has a magnitive time;
    and all clocks.
     
  18. Asexperia Registered Senior Member

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    Time runs at 3,600 sec / hour.
     
  19. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    I have never see time running. It is the other way around,
    Time has be around forever, and it is us that are running-.
    out of it, sooner or later. There is details about it in the fringe.
    It is a cool idea, but not in the the fridge, the fringe. alternate theories.
     
  20. river

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    time , has never in and of it's self changed any object(s) position in space nor the energy of any object in space .

    We should know this by now .
     
  21. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    In addition, nothing has ever existed without having had time to exist in. Even energy, that can not be created or be destroyed had to have time to exist in, so: time can not be created either, and must therefore be fundamental. If change is involved, then we are talking about acceleration, which requires taking time into it's second power.
     
  22. river

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    You have just proved my point , nebel , time is the measure of movement .
     
  23. nebel Valued Senior Member

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    let me try a workshop illustration, because I like to think of the cosmos as a workshop for creativity. ( it is in the genes, my paternal grandfather was a renowned sculptor, who's works are now under monument historic protection)
    There is always time to work in the atelier. and there are always measuring devices, handy to measure the dimensions of the work pieces. The start of a project does not mean the creation of the measure of length, width or depth, or duration, that existed already, fundamentally.
    objects do not make time appear out of nothing.
    time existed long before movement, before objects,
    look at it objectively please.
     
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