# Does time exist?

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1. ### nebel

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In the ALMA diagram, The clocks are obviously located in the universe #3. that is moving, "flowing" to use your words, out from the point #4 inside time #1 into the infinite future, still time #1; Since we are in the universe, that movement is the "flow of us".
The clocks measure that rate of movement, and the distance moved through time #1. Like the instrument on your vehicle that indicates the current speed, and the distance traveled since the beginning . and the last reset. The road, time #1 is stationary, we travel, one way into the future.
The name, "one way" says it. The laws of the universe demand a one way travel through time, no matter what the direction is. It is always in infinite time #1. but
even if you should get stuck, like in a black hole, you still would be in time #1,
just not moving along with the rest of us, please search in the 30 ish pages of ALMA.
Time is not movement, but an infinite, fundamental dimension. No. #1.

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3. ### river

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Show how time comes before the physical ?

Show how time has any efficacy upon space and anything physical . Not by mathematics but actual physical efficacy .

5. ### nebel

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In the ALMA thread, where we should discussing this, page #35. post 681 and on, the infinite time #1 is not 1 dimensional, seen as a string or line. rather like a BBC article mentioned : "block time". That first, all pervasive dimension#1 is a prerequisite of any [thing], certainly uncreated energy of which our matter is an expression, since the BB. Since timespace accommodates energy, and energy is required to overcome inertia, all this can happen in time #1, during energytime, mattertime in non-dimensional timespace.

3 dimensional objects only exist since the Big Beginning#4, a point in already infinite time #1. Yes, we could use a connection to No.1 to measure the universe, or 3 dimensional objects in it by using time, because we have the a speed limit 300 km/sec. the orbit of the Earth is such 1000 light seconds.
As explained in ALMA, as a consequence, we can see only < 1/4 of the universe that has spread through time in all direction, not just our way.

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Nonsense

8. ### nebel

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In the ALMA sketch you can see, that time#1 does not come, it has always been there, together with energy.

QUOTE="river, post: 3575108, member: 179019"]Show how time has any efficacy upon space and anything physical . Not by mathematics but actual physical efficacy .[/QUOTE]

If I understand "efficacy", do you mean effect?
Time#1 is the domain in which ALL happens, exists, including uncreated, undefined energy . Time No#1 has one effect,: it allows, makes room for existence, as ALMA's proposed timespace.
It is the energy content (and its matter and gravity derivates) of time#1, that would produce any effects.
In the ALMA thread is proposed for example, that the universe,#3, as it moves into the future time #1, has to absorb energy that is a feature of energytime #1, still existing in infinity, like before the BB. (the BB happened only at one point in time #1, not in the infinite past or future). (and did not deplete all the energy in the infinite time#1) So, according to this corollary, expansion could be maintained, accelerated by that newly absorbed energy. but
Time itself, No.#1, is pristine, not an actor.
Read ALMA, it is all laid out there.

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9. ### river

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Effect , efficacy
The rest Nonsense .

10. ### river

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One dimensional is non-existent , in the first place . It has no physical existence .

11. ### nebel

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If one dimension (defining a line) has no existence, then 2 dimensions, (defining a plane) have no existence, and 3D allowing for an enclosed volume, neither. Of course these dimensions, space directions by themselves each have zero volume. The 1D line has no thickness, but exists, and all 3 define reality around, inside them.

Time#1 existed before 1.2,or 3 dimensions. because energy, uncreated, existed. TIME #1 is non-dimensional. infinite. 3D started at the Big Beginning, with the era of spacetime , still enclosed in energytime#1. (consider Penrose, Dirac.)

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12. ### nebel

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That word undercuts any argument as refutation you would have.
well, with that you nailed it; indicating that you are deliberately short sighted, refuse to look beyond your nose, I mean, (not being mean), past the horizon, the 13.8 light year local time limit, knowing full well, that the curvature continues past that., and Time #1 is normal to our 3D space.
rather then as nonsense classifying, discussion refusing, refute these precise propositions, in the ALMA thread.

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13. ### river

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One and two dimensions do not exist , in the physical Universe .

What is a 3D enclosed volume ?

1 D line , length , has no breadth nor depth .

What has just breadth , has no length , nor depth

What has just depth , has no breadth , nor length .

No existence . 1D can never exist .

14. ### nebel

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The hypothesis in the ALMA thread is, that Time #1 preceded the physical Universe. The Universe with it's physics is a variant of Energy, which is uncreated, infinite in nature, requiring
time to have existed in. Pre-physical Universe time, pre-spacetime.
before the physical universe.
Without pre BB condition the physical universe would not exist.
The nature of math abstracts like the size of a point, the thickness of a line, are irrelevant, not even side issues to the reality,
the necessity of time's presence for all existence.

15. ### JeevesValued Senior Member

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No.
After 100, will you quit?

16. ### nebel

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A timely question.
My goal is actually >1800. 1800 more days, that the universe will have moved through time, and to the next solar eclipse I can reach by car. I will be 94 by then, and plan to later quit gracefully.
Time will tell.
Really, I like to hear a good refutation to the sequence of these known facts:
a) energy can not be created, or destroyed. -- so, must be infinitely old.
b) nothing exists without having time to exist in, certainly not energy or it's alter ego, matter. therefore
time most be infinitely old, fundamental, real, long before we were.

17. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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THE TIME ARROW

1- Moments are irreversible.

2- Some irreversible changes are: the age of a person, a tree or a star.

3- In Quantum Mechanics we can find reversible changes.

We must differentiate between moments (irreversible) and changes (reversible or irreversible). The time arrow refers to moments, not changes. Therefore, time (natural) is the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. Time marks the rhythm of changes or movements.

a) pt < pm < ft (time increases continuously). True.

b) pt > pm > ft (time decreases). False.

pt is past time
pm is present moment
ft is future time

Asexperia

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18. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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REASONING THAT PROVES THE EXISTENCE OF TIME

- Physics is the science of measures that use a number and a unit.

- Time can be measured by clocks.

- Therefore, time is a physical entity.

To think that time does not exist or is an illusion, is an absurd and illogical idea.

Time is an exhaustible and non-renewable resource.

19. ### river

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Clocks do not matter to physical three dimensional objects movements . Clocks are a consequence of movements , of physical things .

Clocks only matter to us , by ordering our lives .

If time has a physical reality , what evidence is there for this concept ?

20. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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1- Read the previous reasoning again.

2- Consequences of the passage of time:

- Material deterioration
- Aging
- The substitution of the old things for the new ones
- Speed: S = d / t

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21. ### river

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The passage of time is based on the physical deterioration of physical things . Not the consequence of time . Time is the resultant of physical movement of things .

Time is purely a mathematical understanding of any movement thing(s) . Time does not cause , effect and affect anything . Time inotherwords has no efficacy on anything physical .

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22. ### river

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Time is a mathematical tool to understand physical , material objects , movements .

But we have to do this thinking , three dimensionally . Imagining the Universe three dimensionally , with the existence of physical objects existing for infinity .

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23. ### AsexperiaValued Senior Member

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There is a reciprocity between time and change. The greater time, the greater change, the greater change the greater time.