Does time exist?

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  1. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but its measurement depends on the movement in space.
     
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  3. river

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    What is this movement in space based on ?
     
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  5. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    In the change of position.
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    time = C2.

    C2 is not a number, but the characteristic of time being doubly continuous.
     
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    Yes, as pointed out in the ALMA thread, time, as the 1st dimension #1, extends from the infinity past into the infinite future. We have started to move through it only 13;8 billion years ago. from a point (the BB) in that infinity continuous time.

    It is based on the energy that was imparted on mass at the BB, for since that start in time, we exist in mattertime, or spacetime

    no, rhere was a time, when there was no universe, no matter, no 3D space to hang matter onto. yet rgere was energy and therefore time, bith uncreated and infinitely old. so, Timespace energy time has none of the local dimensions. as seen in ALMA.
     
  8. Asexperia Valued Senior Member

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    THE REALITY OF TIME

    We perceive time as the continuous succession of irreversible moments that goes from the past to the future. Moment is a mathematical concept, the time point. Actually time is the duration or permanence of things in a certain state or position. The states can be: in motion, at rest, alive, waiting, in existence, etc.

    The time interval consists of a beginning and an end, a before and after. The time states are: past, present and future. We have an assistant to verify time: the chromnesia.

    In Philochrony there are a perceptual concept and a real concept of time. As time is magnitive (objective, measurable and imperceptible) and C2 (double continuity) people form their own idea of time.
     
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    Deleted. Read the previous message.
     
  10. nebel

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    In the alternative Theories I propose to go beyond that and look at time before it gets chopped into intervals. Who says that the primordial No.1 dimension has to be fenced off like that?
    If you pushed the past direction to infinity, and the future span into the infinite distance, you have eternal infinite time, uncreated like energy.

    I do not think the alternative hypothesis of a fixed time and a moving universe is in disagreement with the above. it just takes the concept into a realm outside our local neck of the woods. Before the Universe appeared, Into where it is expanding into. thank you.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The universe is not expanding into anything. It is outwardly expanding, because that is an allowable change in a strictly permittive condition of nothingness. Nothingness has no space, it has no properties of any kind. it is just permittive of expansin from a singularity into the universe we see today. There is nothing outside the universe, nothing at all, no space, no time, no potential, it is only permittive of change.
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Expanded into NOTHINGNESS

    Agree but my 3 neurons go crazy (er) trying to visualise that

    Since you mentioned properties, and everything which exists has properties

    How many does time have? and please list

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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Visualize the Inflationary Period, when time began. The ability for the universe to expand at greater than "c" is due to the fact inflation occurred from the inside out and, not meeting resistance of "any kind" in a purely permittive nothingness, was able to inflate (expand) at greater than "c", until the first mathematical patterns began to form.

    I suspect it was the first and greatest mega quantum event, where everything happened in the same place at the same time. Hence utter chaos for those few micros econds, when Space (the universe) had begun as well as its necessary companion "Time" as eplained in QM and GR.

    Visualize the shockwave from the implosion (into a atomic quantum) event preceding the explosion of an atom bomb. IMO, something like that occurred in the beginning, a implosive ebevent creating a singularity, subsequently expanding (inflating) in a permittive condition of timeless nothingness.
    NONE! Time is a necessary commodity emerging as the algabraic accounting of duration (age) of any chronologal sequence where quantum events cannot happen in the same place at the same time, including the contiued expansion of the universe. (CDT, causal dynamical triangulation.). But Time is not a causal medium, it is a temporal permission and in effect allows for abstract recording the relative durations of chronological events from birth to death.

    In addition to the Time-line (age) of the Universe itself, every physical change in the entire universe has its own relative chronological time-line and ages at different rates. Time has nothing to do with change, you cannot "run out of time", not since the Inflationary period, during the Birth of the Universe, we now must deal strictly with the mathematical permissions imposed by the geometry of Spacetime.

    The ultimate limit of time intervals between quantum events is achieved at a change rate of "c".., the propagation of the photon and colors (for humans)......

    After all @ "c" time stands still, no? ......

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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    So in a nutshell, or perhaps not, in language terminology TIME does not exist?

    Got it

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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, no. Time does not exist independently, but is an emergent measurable duration (result) of chronological change.
    Perhaps similar to mathematical measurements of distance and speed, which emerge with the measurents of space over a specific distance, or rate of the moving object relative to an observer.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    TIME X NO X ---- AGE ✓ YES ✓

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I would use age as a total result up till the present. Duration is the time interval from beginning to end. Basically the same thing age. If the duration from birth to present is 26 years, a person's age is 26 years....

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    Chronological meaning of course ordered in time: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronological

    Don't we have a thread on tautology running at the moment?
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Just for the moment I will take off my time does not exist hat and I will grant you AGE = TIME

    So what can else can you do with time?
    Weigh it?
    Measure it (or is that linked to age?)
    Detect it (Do clocks detect time? Don't think so)

    So TIME the one horse (property) wonder???

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  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What detects space? Nothing.

    You can measure a separation between points in space, with a ruler. We call that distance.
    You can measure a separation between events in time, with a clock. We call that an interval.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I understand the origin of chronology, however I believe Websters also posits that this can be applied as a chronology of events and the assignment of time associated withose events.
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chronology

    There has to be a chronology, you cannot assign a single time line to a set of unrelated events.
     
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  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    The AGE between the events

    Not TIME

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    Okaaay
    Oh so points in SPACE ie where the moon is located, and where the Earth is located detects SPACE
    However the DISTANCE between points IN space is NOT space but ONLY DISTANCE

    How does that work?

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  23. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Time is an axis for ordering events relative to one another, as the spatial coordinates order objects relative to one another. You can specify the position in space of objects in terms of 3 spatial coordinates. But it makes no sense to talk of detecting the coordinates themselves.

    Similarly with time. You can specify a time interval between events, but it makes no sense to talk of detecting time itself.
     
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