Does time exist?

Discussion in 'Physics & Math' started by Saint, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Why
    Why would I do that? I was attempting to answer your question. Make your own words.
     
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  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Lie much?
     
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Only when expedient. Why would I do so on this insignificant topic?
    BTW What was your problem with my response?
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In my book "exist" means having an expressed value independent of other values.

    AFAIK time has no value independent of other values. There is no way to measure time itself.
    Measurable time becomes expressed only as a result of duration of other processes.
     
  8. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Oh I see now."Does time exist" as a logical proposition is very hard to pin down.

    As is "does the dodo exist" etc etc.

    But if both sides to a discussion can assume their own meaning to the phrase then the two (or more) can happily yabber on ,the deaf leading the deaf as it were.

    The language of the OP is too general for a formal discussion.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, but that does not prohibit a less formal discussion that may still be informative as to the application of different perspectives to a more or less abstract concept.
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Then put me on ignore, asshole.
     
  11. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Does it preclude any of the participants having a more correct perspective than the others?

    Might it also make the participants something of a laughing stock to those who don't take part?

    Is the discussion as much as a mental exercise as anything?

    By the way ,godlike the OP has left us to our own devices

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  12. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Do you have to pollute this fine thread with your intemperate humour sphincter child?
     
  13. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Am I going to get another warning just because you decided to make a post?
     
  14. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know.I got a warning recently. Happens to the best.

    Do you understand Jeeve's post now?
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Explain it to me.
     
  16. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Well I just got the gist I think.

    Kind of garbage in garbage out.
    For "time exists" you have to know what is meant by "time" and what is meant by "exists"

    If either cannot be defined to your satisfaction then the question makes no sense and cannot be answered other than for the sake of pure disputation.

    You can see how seriously the OP took the question by the fact that Saint has not bothered to contribute to her own thread.

    Edit well apart from the first few posts,(she is getting chattier)
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes indeed. I know of no one who has been able to "pin time down".
     
  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I'm fully explained.

    You're great.
     
  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I agree it is all a question of what one means by the question.

    If you put it in the negative you can see how silly it can sound. Most people would say that "length doesn't exist" is a pretty stupid statement, unless heavily qualified. Or "electric charge doesn't exist." Or "energy doesn't exist". Yet all three only have existence in relation to some entity, of which they are an attribute.
     
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  20. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Wonder why we have a god of Time but not a god of Distance or Energy ** in that case

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    Time is a more human centred attribute?

    **was Zeus the god of Energy(Power)?

    Hermes the god of Distance ?(Messenger)
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Energy was not defined until after the time of Newton. Zeus used thunderbolts, did he not? So was he the God of Electric Charge, then? Come on. I really don't think the attributes or powers of the Greek Gods contribute much to understanding this issue.

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  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I seem to have offended you in some grievous way of which I am completely unaware. Ignore is looking like a reasonable self-defense policy. Thank you for suggesting it.
     
  23. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    They rally don't. The ancient Greeks had a fine understanding of many subjects with which the scholars of Christian Europe struggled for the next 1500 years. But they had the same problem with time:
     

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