Doing the Numbers on No. 1

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by nebel, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    On the first planet to be confirmed to have life; -- Earth :
    Distance from Star , Sun: 1 AU *
    No. to fit in simplest planetary distance sequence : 10**
    Orbit diameter in light seconds 1000**
    Number of seconds in year 31 556 600**~ 3.14 x 10^7
    Orbit circumference in light seconds ~3,140**
    Orbital velocity: 30 km/sec ~ 1/10 000 of c.**
    No of digits : 10**
    scattering: ~ +- 2/1000 or .2%.
    * unit assigned by scientists
    ** units the result of natural relationships, ratios before the arrival of science.
    Earth, a place just begging you to do science on.
    there are more, add them please.
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2018
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    You worked all this out by yourself?

    I don't go mathematics so will leave it to those skilled at maths to check for holes

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    10,491
    It is not math, it is silly numerology, so it is just a big hole.
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    Agree. But I was curious if it had been copied from a book and posted without a link

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  8. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    No it has not, of course it is a compilation of data that are out there of great research by others, in some cases centuries. Including the
    Sea level atmospheric pressure ~ 10 meter of water.**PS: some values are actually the same thing as the 998 second orbit diameter 3,14 0 second circumference. but 30km sec ~ 1/ ioooo c just popped into view last week.
    since compilation of data is a time honoured amateur astronomer endeveour, perhaps should reject it here and move it up to astronomy main?
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2018
  9. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    Yes - the type which links stars together with straight lines and says

    "Oh look it looks like a crab. And that group looks like a goat
    Isn't that interesting?"

    See if you can find all 12

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  10. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    You know that is a lot of Taurus. but you have to draw the lines somewhere. Like line up the big dipper to polaris. a ine 1/2x10 to find the extension of No.1's axis of rotation.
    If these 10s of 1os have nothing to do with science, are they perhaps art? decorations?
     
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2018
  11. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,992
    Coincidence?
     
  12. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    More to the point

    Have YOU actually worked out if they are correct?

    Of course this is correct because scientists designated it to be so

    Is this correct? how accurate?

    Could be but I am mildly curious as to how many line up accurately

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  13. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    Science NO

    Art ? NO Who would the artist be?

    Decorations? Who is the decorator?

    I guess a possibility but again how many line up accurately and if not what margin of error would you allow?

    If if if they are ALL on the button the answer would be Physics

    But I doubt they are so accurate

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  14. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    Let us add another 10. the most spectacular planet to view, with another decoration, Saturn and the paper thin rings, is 10 times further out than No. 1. margin of error in all +- 5%. if you are riding a wave, that is good enough. Most within ,5%
    re: decorations, the peacock, or other birds of paradise, Not directly created by some invisible law defying magician in the sky, but the extreme outworking by an evolutionary, sexdriven, genetic process. If a bird can have the extra energy, flexibility to build this, and have the acumen to evade predators despite that advertising, it will make a good marriage partner. Same with the 10, all the way to Saturn,the rings, stability, reinforced by the ratios, and a beauty to behold.
    So, where were we, at 10+ tens?
     
  15. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    Sorry Physics does not have any margin of error
    Plus have not shown your workings

    Humans DO have a margin of error and frequently lie about it

    Theoretical - works out a set of 10's involving Earth - gives themselves a 5% error margin - one doesn't fit (it is 6% out of the range - thinks "well 6% is close to 5% so we will put it in")

    Show the workings please

    Let myself and other interested posters decide if you have something

    Over to you

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  16. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    Of course, there is no errors in physics only corrections due to improved math, observations.
    Sorry, to have said error.
    These are deviations from the theoretical values. Saturn's orbit is 4.6% off the 100 bode, 10AU target. Deviation no doubt due to all the factors coming into play.
    Check all the numbers yourself. After all, you might even catch me having misread Nasa's lists. ALL Bode Nos. are within
    5%. (don't count in Neptune) it is in there because of the 9.6 AU ( 160 light minutes) max gap.
    80% of the planetary mass, Jupiter *, is within 4/1000 of the theoretical value that has No1 as 10. with O devia
    So it is beautiful physics, a decoration, you could put it on a T-shirt.
    * prediction 52, measured: 5,204AU
    on planets, work in AUs please saves time with the slide rule.

    !!!PS: and while we are at the 10s , the 1o x further out from us, Saturn,-- it has an orbital velocity of ~ 10 km/sec -3% (3times ours) and an opposing equatorial rotational velocity of 10 km/s -3% cancelling (see thread in astronomy " Jupiter OV, RV cancel?"
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2018
  17. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    6,371
    This just gets worse and worse. I'm sure that the list of measurements you gave are well past the stage of being "theoretical" and can be measured well within a 5% error

    Since you won't, probably can't, provide coherent value details your kindergarten wonderment about 10's will remain exactly that with no hope of survival outside of your brain

    I don't do maths

    Your claim - your responsibility to do the maths

    That's my last PING on this subject

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  18. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    There is no complicated math to be done. the numbers are there, often with both theoretical and measured. all fall within normal scatter of 5%. where it counts within 0.4%
    If in doubt. prove it. The 10 claim stands.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,423
    If we had eight fingers like cartoon characters, you'd be able to find just as many magical relationships with 8.
     
  20. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    perhaps, but not for the Earth, No.1, because it is already taken. but hey, give it a try!
    We in french use the toes to count too. 90 is 4 twenties and ten.
     
  21. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,992
    Not to mention light seconds... At some time, someone decided the break the day up into 24 hours. And then to subdivide those into 60 minutes of 60 seconds each. Totally arbitrary - nothing "natural" about that at all.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,423
    You're making my point. Twenty could be just as magical as ten or eight. If you look hard enough, you can find relationships for any number.
     
  23. nebel Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,362
    Of course, according to your liberal standards, there are definitely 8 or multiple thereof, or fractions thereof in 2^3. but what is magic about that?
    If you can not come up with a comparable score, 10/10 based on at least 1o Au, you have drawn a blanl, but I will give you a head start:
    It is ~8 minutes light flying tome to the sun. have fun.
     

Share This Page