Doing the Numbers on No. 1

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by nebel, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. river

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    Your point Write4U ?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I made the point, that IMO, the fusion of chromosome 2 into a single much larger chromosome altered the brain growth codes in the DNA in a way that allowed for extended growth of a more complex brain.

    Human Chromosome 2 is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes

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    http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm

    I believe the illustration shows that where there used to be a stop and new start code in the ancestral DNA, those codes were fused and there is now a much larger growth code (no stop/start code in the middle) before it ends. Logically, if that chromosome is in fact instrumental in brain growth, that scenario is entirely reasonable.

    All other apes still have those two chromosomes (24 pr) and were left behind in the significant evolution of their brains
     
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  5. river

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    Explain vocal chords .
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    What about vocal chords? They are not unique in the animal world, nor in anything that can produce a variety of clicks and grunts. Humans communicate via clicks and grunts. Some of them melodious, to be sure.
    But so are several bird species.


    Hilarious, Uncanny

    Birds can count!
     
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  8. river

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    Now explain the evolution of vocal chords .
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't a clue how it started except that a lot of living organism produce grunts and clicks, We are just pretty versatile, because we have versatile minds.

    Whales also have versatile minds and they speak with vertically stacked chords rather than single chronological grunts (words)

    How complex is whale language?
    Warbling Whales Speak A Language All Their Own
    Date: March 24, 2006
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060322175201.htm

    And that may explain the evolution of sonar sensing as it has in bats in the dark.
     
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  10. nebel

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    just a reminder what the theme of this thread was, counting the unique ratios, science numbers of the first planet we know to harbour life.

    10
    in the Bode sequence. aka 1 AU
    10 digits, toes.
    10 m /sec^&2 surface gravity.
    10 meter H2O atmospheric surface pressure.
    10 decim/sec pendulum frequency.
    1000 light second orbit diameter.
    1/10 000 of c orbital velocity. 30/ 300 000.
    1/100
    natural ratio between Earth Vr and Moon rotation velocity

    Golden ratio in orbits : Mercury (4) to Earth, 6/10; G.R. from Earth to Mars,
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes indeed.
    The golden ratio appears in many natural patterns. It seems to be a favorite naturally selected growth pattern in both flora and fauna as well as in the universe itself.

    What is the Golden Spiral?

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    These geometric spirals are found in nature. Once you draw one, you will see them everywhere.

    Then there is this other number called Phi

    1.618
    https://tumamocsketchbook.com/2021/...iral-to-understand-it-we-need-to-draw-it.html
     
  12. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Numerology woo.
     
  13. nebel

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    indeed, but as stated about this topic, it was about ratios unique to earth, and if the spiral galaxies are any indication, phi is alive and well on other galaxies' planets too. as is pi.

    even if you are right, we have, yes these are the winning numbers, for being on the first planet to have life confirmed on it.
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Really? The pictures are not enough proof?

    Where is the woo?
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The Fibonacci Sequence is not a local phenomenon. It is a universal phenomenon. If they are winning numbers on earth, then they are winning numbers on all planets that meet certain minimum required ingredients. And judging by all the conditions on earth and the emergence of life in every nook and cranny on earth from deep ocean to volcanic sulphur pools and polar ice life is abundant on earth. It isn't rare at all

    Look at the incredible variety and adaptations present and in the past. Life is abundant and incredibly versatile in ability to adapt to the most inhospitable conditions.
    Life survived 5 major extinction events, yet it persisted and continued to evolve, even changing from only photosynthetic life to incorporate a new and creative reliance on oxygen.

    Tardigrades can survive considerable time in empty space itself. Certain plant seeds can survive centuries of dormancy. The great variety does not speak of life as a rare phenomenon, but rather as a high probability if given just a minimal chance in a dynamic environment with large mineral surfaces and long periods of time.

    What exactly is so special about life itself? For that matter, what is so special about intelligence? Bacteria, being one of the oldest and simplest living organisms on earth, communicate via chemical "quorum sensing". They are bilingual!
    Slime molds are the smartest single-celled organisms on earth. They don't know math, but they do math and can memorize time intervals. They can develop efficient food transport systems of large areas .

    The human biome itself is teeming with hundreds of symbiotic foreign organisms that keep us alive because they found a hospitable environment in the human and other larger living organisms.

    In the end it is all interconnected and interdependent. The earth's ecosystem system is fine tuned due to the mathematical guiding equations of its relational potentials that helped evolve a functional environment hospitable to life.
     
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  16. river

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    Yes . Interconnected and interdependent .

    Life took advantage of the conditions of the environment . Mathematics guides nothing , it is the physical that guides the mathematics . Mathematics can not create anything physical in and of its self . I've said this before , I'm not aware of any challenge that suggests that mathematics can do otherwise .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In the case of spiral formation it is abstract mathematics that form the pattern, it cannot do otherwise. The pattern is an expression of the equation. This is why is applies to all regular spirals of all sizes. They are all the same pattern.

    Same as with circles where Pi is always present regardless of size of the circle.

    They are mathematical constants, independent of physical properties. They are abstract mathematical ratios.
     
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    Disagree

    Equation is the Expression of the Physical Pattern . It is the physical pattern that forms the equation .
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Disagree
    They are the idealized forms, much like Plato's idealized solids.
     
  20. river

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    But there not . Not all forms of things are ideal . The basic periodic table .
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Atoms are patterns of a certain density and constituent parts. They cannot be other than what they are, because of the inherent self-organizing patterns.
     
  22. river

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    To your last statement ; density is physical as are constituent parts , physical . Which interact to form patterns . Mathematics can not create a physical object . But is based on the physical .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I understand what you mean, but ask; what is it that causes the orderly self-organization of similar pattern in similar relational values? What is the ordering agency that creates self-similarity?
    To just propose "it is all physical" does not explain the why the regularity unless the physical is guided by a mathematical agency (not a sentient agency)
     

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