Doing the Numbers on No. 1

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Robert Hazen proves that the earth has an average composition of minerals of a planet in an average solar system throughout the universe.

    The point is that bio-chemical molecules already form in cosmic clouds, due to radiation.

    Abstract
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982172/
     
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  3. nebel

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    "--A surprisingly large number of molecules that are used in contemporary biochemistry on Earth --"

    w4y:
    despite that prevalence, we have struggled to replicate abiogenesis. but I am not arguing life as such here, but the unique architecture of the solar system,
    That we, as conscious beings are aware of it, can ascribe our existence 's dependence to it, just makes these ratios more fascinating, like an artful decoration on an utilitarian item.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but you must consider the settings.
    The entire Universe had 13.5 billion years to test an near infinite number of chemical interactions. Compare this to 5 guys in a laboratory performing one experiment at a time. It might take them 13.5 billion years to hit on the right formula.

    But as we now are doing serious studies at the nano-level we may be able to solve the problem of self-replicating polymerizations.

    We have a few, the Krebs cycle is one of them.

    Citric acid cycle

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    Overview of the citric acid cycle
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle

    What a lot of people seem to overlook is that the universe is one dynamic laboratory, Everything we see today is a result of evolutionary processes since the chaotic beginnings.
     
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    and out of chaos rises order again, order that is needed to have the long term stability for complicated life to thrive, and the numbers are just the tip if the iceberg showing that.
    The numbers (particularly 10 in Titius Bode) reflect order, the opposite of entropy.
     
  8. nebel

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    using ballpark figures, (within 8%) looking at Saturn's 10s:
    ~10 times further than the Earth's 1.0 AU from the Sun, a
    ~10 hour day, ( the golden ratio to ours, the 1:1,6 ratio shared with Jupiter ) a
    ~10 m/s^2 "surface" gravity acceleration, ( close to ours) a
    ~10 km/sec orbital velocity a
    ~10 km/sec rotational velocity at equator,
    numerology, coincidences, non scientific artwork at its best. 1-1 20 21.
     
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  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You are replying to a post from two years ago, Grandad.

    Nobody cares about this any more, least of all me.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Don't forget, human symbolic numbers are purely arbitrary human inventions. The universe does not recognize symbolic numbers, it recognizes "values" and "orderly (mathematical) functions".

    Physical universal patterns are ordered in accordance to their inherent values and they behave and interact in accordance to their functional mathematical relationships, such as in
    (human symbolic) "equations".

    The remarkable thing is that we have discovered those hidden relationships between values and fashioned our numerical symbols and mathematical functions accordingly.

    Which led us to the discovery of universal constants and laws.
    These constant relationships of values is what makes mathematics so efficient and reliable and what makes the universe predictable.

    What we tend to forget is that many animals also have a sense of values and can recognize the difference between "more" from "less" as easily as humans, even as they know nothing of numbers.
     
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    WFY: thank you, very true, but many of these numbers represent ratios, independent of what unit, "watch", "cubit" nanometer , or millisecond you apply. particularly if it shows Fibonacci, all well established before my measly 9 decades.
     
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    The Famous Fibonacci
    I would edit this statement to read "the discovery" (not origin) is much contested. IMO, its origin was closer to the beginning of the first spiral galaxy.
    Fibonacci Sequence in Nature

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      Seeds in a sunflower head. The number of spirals pointed left and right are consecutive numbers in the Fibonacci sequence.
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    An Evolutionary Perspective
    The beauty of inherent mathematics in "natural selection" for survival strategies and mechanisms.
    https://spectramagazine.org/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/
     
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    These are facts that go back a long way, and interest ia still strong, ( hunderts of views in the last hours) perhaps due to your past inputs, thank you.
    please Falsify the five 1/10 ratios of terra/saturn.
     
  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    You must be joking. I have taken no interest in this nonsense thread for the last 2 years - and by the look of it, it's only got worse since then.

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    This is adorable.

    With an 8% margin of error, one can connect whatever one wants until the cows come home. This doesn't even qualify as numerology.

    And W4U is correct. It is entirely dependent on one's choice of man-made units.
    Notice: these coincidences simply don't exist in America.
     
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    i forgot to mention: #6, Saturn's diameter is
    10 times that of Earth, within a 6% margin , # 7, Saturn' mass is
    10^2 times that we live on here. with 5% margin.
    should make it just 10% to keep it simple. not counting the obvious corollary like 1/10^2 or solar energy input.

    no you cant Dave, but yes, with the 90% outside of the 10 % margin iit would be easier.

    If you looked at many science situations, you will find the data clustered 5 % above or below = within 10% of the average values predicted, shown by the lines of the graphs.
     
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    There is nothing unusual for similar physical patterns and constituent parts to show mathematical relationships . As you observed the Fibonacci Sequence is ubiquitous throughout the universe.

    Universal laws and constants are founded on mathematical similarities, not differences. That is why we can use mathematics to examine physical properties at almost unlimited sizes.
     
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    Without Patterns , Physical Objects could not exist . The Patterns themselves Being Physical .
     
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    The Periodic Table was founded on patterns of real physical objects .

    And their other characteristics . In combination .

    Hence

    Elements .
     
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  20. nebel

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    WFY: true, but I discovered going over the numbers that the Day's ratio is at best tenuous. sorry.

    R: yes but I fail to see haw 14 10s , particularly in the so called Bode sequence fit in with that. it could have been otherwise and probably is in other planetary systems. they would have to, if the Masses have different proper pulsations, Eigenschwingungen.
     
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    Who is .....? Day? Regardless, many numbers are "approximate" (remember "leap year). The term "approximate" usually indicates a close guess.....

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    OK, maybe this explains.
    note the qualification "approximate". It's a close guess.....

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    wfy: the "bode" sequence, which in my opinion is the most striking feature, of the 10 saga, is not that approximate, au contraire,
    The most important, Jupiter the biggie and us , with life on it, are within 1/2 percent of the theoretical value.
    The big outlier is Neptune, which is equidistant from Uranus and Pluto, which means the sequence, a geometric procession with doubling orbit diameters differences, has an upper limit of 9,6 AU. The Saturn to Uranus to Neptune to Pluto spacing.
    It is a resonance thing.
     
  23. nebel

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    true, sorry, but here is another truly useless link between numbers:
    10 times the distance of Sun to Jupiter in AU, is (5.2) or it's number in the bode sequence 52, and that is also
    the ~ number of our weeks in a year here.
     

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