Donald The Progressive

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    You need a State licence to sell arranged flowers in some State's Joe. Not to mention the billions of other regulations. You need permission to open a business. You must pay a labor tax - PER hour to the State. We have a Central Bank that Central Plans interest rates. Just about every aspect of our lives is regulated.
    Well, guess what Joe? When you don't have central bank caused inflation - the price of items drops so that people needn't work 5 part time jobs and 120 hours a week to pay their SlumLord.

    Free markets and Free society are synonyms.
     
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  5. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    LOL


    The SECRET to Trump's success:

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    Government Schools are getting one thing right, that much is clear.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Uh, yeah, they are.

    One indicates integrity, the other indicates the lack of integrity - for starters.
    There were tariff agreements with Hong Kong and Taiwan in 1976, and they did not halt trade or prevent the technological revolution. Why are you basing your objections to Sanders on projections of your own fantasies into hypothetical situations? Is there nothing to criticize in his actual proposals for what we should do now?

    The derivatives market that just crashed the US economy was essentially unregulated. Do you think bankers are immune to self-destructive greed?
     
  8. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i know you think repeating this lie makes you smart. it doesn't. it makes you look like a dumb ass with no idea how the real world works. i've already conclusively proved there is no tax on labor. there is a tax on income how ever which is not a tax on labor as has been repeatedly shown.
     
  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    I'll have to change this Thread Title from Donald The Progressive to Donald THE WIZARD.

    Scott Adams, the cartoonist who created "Dilbert" made a call on Reason TV: Donald Trump's going to be the next POTUS and may even change the way humanity thinks itself....



    I'd make two points (1) Scott Adams is selling a book and (2) I don't know if it's just me, but I don't seem to have ANY inkling Trump is anything other than a see-through demagogue. The Right's version of Feel The Burn, Bernie Sanders. I certainly don't think Trump's a total idiot (although he plays one on TV) - he's also, supposedly amassed 10 billion dollars (even though he started out with quite a bit from PaPa Trump). Trump just appears TOO transparent to me. Which is why, I think, Adams may be making the right call. Trump might be the demagogue Americans are yearning for. Who knows? Maybe WWIII and the Great Redistribution is much closer than I'd have thought?
    (Nah, I still say at least 30 years.... at the earliest??? I guess it all depends on how badly the Central Bank destroys society - it all comes down to them and the magnitude of their utter incompetence).
     
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  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Bernie Sanders is not a demagogue.

    If you want to look like somebody who can see through the political smoke to the cynical, realistic truth, you're going to have to lay off the Wngnut Weed - asserting equivalence between Sanders and Trump is a current Republican campaign spin, an attempt to make the Trump embarrassment a "both sides" matter.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    They're both sickening IMO. Only, unlike Trump, Bernie Sanders is a career politician. So, other than pandering to his electorate, he's never produced a ounce of anything in his entire adult life. Just bullshit. At least that douche Trump produced something of value for people. Even if it was just some shit TV show and some Casinos.

    Bernie Sanders is most certainly a demagogue. I've listened to him for YEARS before he ever mentioned anything about running for POTUS. Out of one side of his mouth he claims Chinese are 'stealing' our jobs and out of the other side of his mouth he claims Chinese are 'Slave Laborers'. So - which is it Bernie?? Want to know why Bernie has found success in suggesting these two polar opposites to explain lose of manufacturing in the USA? Because Bernie IS the definition of a demagogue - he spins the bullshit you want to hear, just as Trump does the same for the people who eat his bullshit. And in this case he's doing quite good job at selling feel-good-race-baiting, in that he allows The Worker off the hook. That way The Worker can indulge in their own racism - either blaming the Asian "Job Stealers" or sympathizing with the Asian "Slave Labor". When in reality - all they care about is blocking competition in hopes of getting a job.

    In reality - jobs are not stolen. Other Americans CHOOSE to buy Made-In-China - and do so, freely. We WANT those products. So, if you want to hate someone - hate other Americans. We have the choice to pay more and to buy a lower quality Made In America - but we don't. We don't want to.

    So, Bernie isn't going to sell you that story - nope.
    Instead it's BLAME the Asian Game.

    Yeah, the Asian who made you your wonderful smart phone and high-end PC for next to nothing. Blame him.

    In reality, 100s of MILLIONS of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty. If Bernie had, had his way - 100s of millions of children would have starved to near-death. Which brings us to this demagogues' worse characteristic, one he shares with Trump (among others, he's just not as good as Trump as suckering the masses) - Nationalism. Bernie LOVES to appeal to Nationalism, just like the demagogue he was, is and always will be. Sorry suckers, the reason why jobs go to China, is because Americans buy Made In China. AND why wouldn't they? They're high quality products (electronics) at a great price. Who knows, perhaps if we never had a Central Bank and allowed for the hyper-regulatory capture of all markets, these jobs would be here in the USA?

    Luckily for you and I, you needn't worry he'll be elected POTUS. It isn't going to happen - ever. So, this is pretty much just academic.
     
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  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, he's not.
    That's not the definition of a demagogue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogue

    You can't tell different Chinese people apart?

    The Chinese have a central bank. They also have a serious pollution problem, from poor regulation, and one of those crony banking systems like the Japanese had, likewise.

    So the problem with Sanders is that he says true stuff you don't want to hear.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, yes, he is.
    Except at the time (the mid-1970s) it was Japan, Singapore, HongKong and Taiwan he was arguing for us to put tariffs up against. This is his pitch. He's a broken record. The only difference is NOW it's "The Chinese" - then, it was other Asians.

    If Bernie had his way then, we wouldn't be having this conversation because their wouldn't BE an affordable internet.

    He's a race-baiting demegogue.

    His Schick is his ability to give middle class Americans a person to blame (Asians). If they're racist, then it's the Central Bank, if they're Progressive, then it's the Slave Labor. The fact is the Chinese currency IS cheaper then our currency and it's OUR Central Bank that runs the fiat currency game - if you have evidence the Chinese Central Bank is doing something illegal - make your case. Because, as it stands, they are not. The fact is Chinese are NOT Slaves. They WANT those jobs. The fact is free-trade with China is a win-win and has given us super computers that fit in our pocket, that even the poorest American toss in the bin for the latest model AND has lifted 100s of millions of Chinese out of poverty.


    That aside, unless you're going to write the name Bernie in, then feel free to vote for that War Hawk lunatic Hillary or Made For TV Goofball Trump, I don't care. It's not going to make a positive difference. The functional illiterate are not going to suddenly learn to read and write. All that will happen is Americans will get more pissed off the they didn't get the Change They Believe Magic Thoughts About and they'll vote to 'Strengthen the Hand' of the POTUS so he/she can "Get Therious" and down to businesses and and doing stuff for Murika and things...

    We don't get to Dear Leader all in one big step, these things take time. About 30 years by my guess. In the mean time make sure you spread open your anus for a wrist deep cavity search the next time you want to fly. You know, because Terrorist. Give the TSA thugs your passwords and access to what little personal information you thought you had a right to. And remember, you're a Citizen OF the USA.
     
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    Doesn't matter, they are still exploited.
     
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Freed slaves took sharecropper jobs, but it was practically slavery too. Without the beatings.

    Mostly.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, he's not. Neither one.

    You think tariffs are always bad, because you're one of those people who think free markets are incapable of getting stuck in suboptimal equilibria, and you never understood the concept of the externalized cost. But tariffs being bad does not mean that arguing for tariffs in a particular situations is demagoguery - it's among your recommendations for replacing the income tax, after all.
     
  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well that's funny coming from you Michael. Before you go calling someone else a demagogue, your should take a long and serious look at yourself.


    And you are not a broken record...? You keep spewing all this Libertarian crap all the time.

    And, that's not demagoguery? Bernie isn't against the internet. Need I remind you, the "govment" invented the internet.

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    Then you should be able to prove it. So let's see it Michael.


    That's a dump of your usual nonsense Michael, much of it makes no sense. The fact is the Chinese currency is manipulated and fixed by the Chinese government. The Federal Reserve doesn't manipulate foreign currencies. Free trade with China has brought the American consumer cheaper goods, cheaper computers. It didn't bring us computers or devices that fit in our pockets. Those devices were designed in the USA and at one time produced in the USA. China has two natural competitive advantages cheap labor and virtually zero restrictions on pollution. What free trade has done is export American jobs and pollution overseas.

    I'm a free trader, but free trade shouldn't be a way to done environmental restrictions as it is today and there should be an equitable. Too often free trade is only one way and that disadvantages American workers.

    That's nonsensical.
     
  19. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The POTUS Reality TV SHOW:
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    Take a good long look at the list posted in #1, you Progressives have your man right here. Magic Thinker in Chief Trump. Or, go with GoldmanSux favorite Hillary 'I Never Saw A War I Didn't Love' Clinton. As long as we have children to sell off to the Banksters and oil to grow new ones, Magic Thinking can go on and on and on and on and on.... for a LOOOOONG time.

    Either way, the 'Electorate' will push for the POTUS to have more powers and sooner or later we can enshrine our Oligarchic Aristocracy into law. Which, given the Central Planners / Regulators just bailed them out - has already happened in all but name.
     
  20. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    So Trump isn't conservative enough for you?
     
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    You are not being honest again Michael. You know full well there is only one state out of 50 which licenses florists.

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    So for you to misrepresent as more than one as you have repeatedly done is more than a little dishonest.

    And you think any of that makes sense? Prices drop because people don't have the money needed to buy goods and services, that's called a depression.

    No they are not. You are making stuff up again.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    We won't have oil for a long time. Google "peak oil". And Trump changed his views for some reason, I wouldn't vote for him as a progressive because of that. I like consistency.
     

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