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  1. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    What do you think the driving force behind human nature is?

    Fear? Love? Hate? Self-gratification? Raw animal instincts?

    Or maybe you don't know why you do the things you do?
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    IMO, it's fear that makes us do what we do. We marry because we fear loneliness, we eat and breathe because we fear death, we make friends because we fear rejection.

    I think humans are all selfish, insecure beings who prey on each other or material possessions to provide a warm shelter around themselves.
     
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  3. Thor "Pfft, Rebel scum!" Valued Senior Member

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    I'd have to say Love, Fear and Power but in a way, these things can be grouped together
     
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  5. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    But love arises from fear of seclusion. And power can be gained because of the fear of weakness and cowardice.

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  7. grazzhoppa yawwn Valued Senior Member

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    To be better at something than you already are,

    and to survive...but this one has been left in the dust.
     
  8. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    We do what we do just because we want to be...in my humble opinion.

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  9. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    Love is a reason biology gave us to shag, to stick around and protect offspring so they survive.
     
  10. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    compassion
     
  11. MacZ Caroline Registered Senior Member

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    As it happens, I was buying the man in my life one of those stress-relief squeezable things (guess I'm just not good enough), and (among the incense) they had a picture of a car (type unknown) with the four wheels being the four things that drive us:

    And they were:

    A sense of belonging
    Freedom
    Power
    Fun

    Seems to me that advertisers must have this picture on their walls.
     
  12. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Power and the reproductive urge.

    Really, it boils down to having as many descendents as possible. In the more advanced species, that takes an accumulation of power and.....thus, the Will to Power.
     
  13. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    so why is compassion so strong in some people?

    a lot of girls get laid BECAUSE they make themselves apear vunrable not strong
     
  14. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Well Asguard, some women (and men just the same) appear to be vulnerable while they are actually not. It is all about how they perceive you sometimes. Then that girl will react on you as she thinks is the most profitable way to react. If you like her to appear vulnerable then you can have it.

    A lot is not visible for you when you are in love, with your head in the clouds.

    Fortunately, it does not go for every woman, so there will always be one, you can love and who will love you for what you are and nothing else. With compassion...

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  15. MacZ Caroline Registered Senior Member

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    I disagree. Socialisation/co-operation are much more beneficial to advancing the species, and that while there many be heirarchies to an extent, they exist for reasons that ultimately benefit the group as a whole, like coming up with tactics to outdo the next tribe.

    And focussing in on the couple themselves, offspring have a much better chance of survival based on there being a mutual tie (and, again, cooperation) between the parents than the fact that one of them has beaten the other guys to it. And as that tie is going to be important, it makes sense that there's a complex courtship process (and witholding) until certain abilities have been proven. The more of an investment made to get what we want, the less likely we are to let it go easily. Inevitably, emotions are going to get entangled in this.
     
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    Well, couldn't the reproductive urge be singled down to the fear of ending? Maybe the need to procreate stems from the fact that if you don't do something, like leave offspring, you will be forgotten and that's it.

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    Those are good ones, MacZ, but I can still stand by my point that people want sense of belonging because they are truly afraid of being alone. They want freedom because they are afraid of cages, they want power because they are afraid of being weak, and they want fun because it satiates their fear of boredom.

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    Compassion may arise from the fear of not being accepted as part of society or as a human, thus having to twist our thinking into feeling sympathetic for others when really, IMO, humans are individualistic animals. Perhaps we understand that there is something called the "common good", but deep deep down below, maybe all we really care about is ourselves...

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  17. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    MacZ:
    Huh? More beneficial than what?

    *Looks confused*

    Bluesoul:
    Then why do I fear death and not want children?

    More importantly, organisms that aren't sentient have a drive to procreate. I doubt very much that the walrus' who dominate a harem are afraid that they will die without leaving anything behind.

    Why should it be different for humans?
     
  18. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    I don't have a scientific answer for this, nor does anything that's going through my mind right now make sense.

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    But if a Christian were to answer this, they'd say that humans are the only ones to have souls, therefore they have a fear of death because they don't know what will happen afterwards. Animals are just here to provide food and occassionally as playthings (not meant sexually, lol).
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Bluesoul:
    What does Christianity have to do with any of this, and since when was there evidence for an immortal soul?

    Are we dealing with facts or speculations?
     
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    The only true fear can come from an atheist, because they profess to not believe in any form of afterlife. We all fear death, even the christians (or at least all the ones I've ever met). Now, these christians have to be asked what it is they fear.

    The atheists already know.
     
  21. SoLiDUS OMGWTFBBQ Registered Senior Member

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    I fear fear...

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  22. %BlueSoulRobot% Copyright! Copyright!! Registered Senior Member

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    Those Christians are not very sturdy in their beliefs then, are they?

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    They shouldn't fear death, because if they are a true believer then they have faith in a place in heaven. And heaven's supposed to be the "ultimate goal", being close to God forever. I think their foremost fear is Judgement Day, where all the sins of an individual are layed out and exposed. Or not being able to go to heaven, and living eternally in hell.

    I brought up Christianity to point out the difference in animals and humans. True, humans are animals in basic biological structure, but we are sentient, and they are not. The Christian part of this is that we have souls, and it is indirectly mentioned in the Bible that animals do not go to heaven.
    Thus, the goal of an animal is much different from a human. And what drives an animal towards their goal is much different than what drives a human towards theirs.
     
  23. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    The only thing I fear is death. Because if Im wrong (yes Im saying I MIGHT be wrong) then god is going to send me straight to hell. But that fear isnt going to stop me from doing everything and anything that I want to.
     

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