Effects of compression on matter in black holes

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by BdS, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. BdS Registered Senior Member

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    The matter in a black hole should be highly compressed due to the strength of the black holes gravity. The BH's matter causes the compression on itself, since the matter is whats creating the BH's forces/fields. What Im trying to investigate is if there's and effect on matter at high compression that causes its forces/fields to increase in strength/potential?

    example. The Earths gravitational/magnetic strength is X at radius Y. If we compress Earth to half its radius would its forces/fields increase in strength? so at the same radius Y will the strength X have increased due to greater compression on the forces/fields source?
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No. The strength of gravitational attraction depends solely on the MASS of the object, not its density. F = GmM/r² (Newton's Law of Gravitation). Similarly for magnetic flux it is the amount of moving electric charge that determines the strength of the field, not how dense the moving charge may be.
     
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  5. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    . . . thus we speak of point sources without regard to their radius. It wouldn't matter if they were an Angstrom wide or several miles or more as far as the distant observer is concerned.
     
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    Maybe gravity compresses the mass and its magnetic field changes. Another possible way you could drain energy from the black hole is with the BH's spinning fields, the BH's spinning fields interact with other matter/fields in range and transfers angular momentum/spin to them. The BH would supply the externally interacting matter/fields extra momentum and the BH will lose momentum according to Newtons 3rd law...
     
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    Could gravity be inertial and spinning fields transferring momentum be used as the mechanism to get the system into synchronized motion and the inertial force created would be gravity? I know its not likely...
     
  11. river

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    Matter would be more of a liquid , actually would be in a liquid state

    Therefore matter would the become a liquid plasma

    Therefore , this plasma could be looked at from a hydraulics ( liquids in motion ) point of view


    Hence you can only compress a liquid to a point where it acts like a solid , and therefore kicks back

    Hence why there are galactic jets that spew out enormous energy , directionaly

    The force fields or magnetic fields from the galaxy are enormous , these magnetic fields , from the galactic core , surround the entire galaxy its self
     
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    Now imagine the galactic cores magnetic/force field is spinning with the core, and any matter that is located in the cores field is being interacted with. What do you think the product of the interaction will be?

    ever taken 2 magnets, put 1 on top of the table and 1 below, then spin the 1 below the table and the top 1 moves and spins just by field interaction?
     
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    If the spinning object was compressed then it makes sense its magnetic field would change, because you'd have a denser mass spinning with a lower radial volume. I need to check this out more... to explain better...
     
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    You read a lot of things about energy such as elasticity, gravity etc. I don't think it is split into various types of energy. Anything that can travel at C has an extremely destructive potential to us. We should wonder more how we can live inside these speeds without being blasted apart. It is when you think about these high speeds that you figure out where Gravity must escape. In the black hole you should not trap all of the energy. The flat space scenario perhaps mathematically traps the energy, but space should be a grain structure, which means that energy can escape sideways out, and that is the shape of the Galaxy. It is a sideways force of escaping, propagating energy. Whatever doesn't escape sideways is blown into two huge bubbles. Then you are left with a problem still. A grain structure of pathways eventually becomes just 13 points. Nothing can escape these 13 points very easily. At the same time, nothing can stop either. The final solution to trapped energy is for the energy to scale down to escape in an infinite regression of smaller, and smaller gaps. It will keep scaling down until it escapes, and new particles are created forever. And that is why we have a red shift. It is the escape of trapped energy, scaling down in black holes. This material has no description, because it has evolved. It is the evolution of the Universe taking place. Basically though it is just smaller particles, and I call them High Definition particles. Some day they come round back to us, and we get better vision, better brains, because we have more material to work with. And that is my theory on this subject.
     
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    The only difference would be that you have access to more g potential when the solid radius decreases, to a local observer.

    So when the matter goes into the BH does it get compressed into other stuff ? like, if I throw a peanut into the BH does it go through pressure phases and become a diamond.
    http://phys.org/news/2014-11-geo-researchers-diamonds-odd-materials-peanut.html

    When the BH collects gases from space will the gases go through pressure phases liquid then solid then?
     
  20. river

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    No

    Because to come to a solid means that the gases have cooled enough to get into this phase of energy to matter
     
  21. BdS Registered Senior Member

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    Pressure causes the same effect.

    http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questions/question/2754/
    "You'd need a ridiculous amount of force" like the gravitational force of a BH compressing the BH matter...
     
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    and another effect would be a greater pressure on the BH's mass if the matter radius decrease. Eg earth at sea level we have i think 9.8m per second of g acceleration, if the mass of the earth was more compressed that sea level was at 12m acceleration. We would have higher compression on the mass because you have more mass at higher g acceleration.

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    Maybe thats how the earth got its water, it was a rock that caught gas from space the gases start to cause compression on the lower gases and converted some gases to liquid. Just a thought...
     

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