Egyptian Vigilantes Kill Two Suspected Thieves

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Balerion, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. Balerion Banned Banned

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    The religion of...wait, no, that's not...nevermind. This has nothing to do with religion.

    Full story.

    So what do we make of this?
     
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  3. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I am ok with middle-east Muslims killing other Muslims. They really aren't that valuable to me.
     
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  5. Balerion Banned Banned

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    That's disgusting.
     
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  7. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Hey bigot, remember the case last year in the US?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html

    And here is another

    http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=make-some-noise-for-jordan-davis
     
  8. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That's subjective.
     
  9. IfIonlyhadabrain Registered Member

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    No it really is disgusting.
     
  10. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Hey moron, did you happen to see my comments on the Trayvon Martin discussion here? Am I supposed to link to those old threads every time something happens regarding a Muslim?

    Do you think this event isn't newsworthy? Or is it something we're not allowed to talk about because the people involved are Muslims? (What their religion has to do with this, I don't know)

    Idiot.
     
  11. Balerion Banned Banned

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    No, it really is gross. I've reported your post, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't post in this thread again.
     
  12. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Demonstrate that disgusting exists outside the scope of a person's mind and you might have a point.
     
  13. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Reported for what? Going against your personal sensibilities? If you want to limit who can participate in your threads then you can always make a private group and invite all the like-minded participants that you wish, but until you do that any thread you create is open season for any member.
     
  14. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Reported for saying that you don't mind Middle Eastern Muslims killing each other because "they're not valuable." That kind of hate-speech is against the rules.

    I asked you nicely to stay out of the thread. If you won't oblige, I'll just hope that the moderation here does its job.
     
  15. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How is that hate speech? Hate speech is vilifying some group or person on the basis of one or more characteristics such as race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, color, ethnicity, religion, disability, or age. Kind of like what this thread appears to be attempting to do with Egyption Muslims, or perhaps just Muslims in general (which is somewhat of a comical irony). The fact that I don't find middle-eastern Muslims valuable isn't a statement of vilification. It's an opinion. You did after all ask: "So what do we make of this?". Again, if you only want like-minded opinions then make a private group and invite like-minded people.
     
  16. IfIonlyhadabrain Registered Member

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    Disgusting is a quality, and can be ascribed to attitudes and expressions. It is the quality that causes the observer of that which is disgusting to feel revolted at the observation. The only part of this that is relative is the perceptive framework present in the mind of the observer which translates the observation into understandable facts.

    The portion of the statement you made that is disgusting is the part where you reduce human persons to non-valuable objects. This kind of speech is what spurred events like the slave trade and the holocaust. People are inherently valuable, and speech which reduces people to sub-human, or sub-persons, is disgusting.

    A person's perceptual framework may allow them to see this, or not. Much like a colorblind person may not be able to see red, because his brain didn't develop that capability, and red as an attribute still exists in the form of specific-light-wavelength reflection, so too does the disgustingness of your expression exist even though you haven't developed the moral sense to see it.
     
  17. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Are you serious? You just dehumanized a group of people based on their religion. You said you don't mind them getting killed because "they're not valuable." Your statement portrays Middle Eastern Muslims as intrinsically less valuable than other human beings. That is the definition of hate speech.

    My post has nothing to do with their religion. This is a thread about the deterioration of Egypt since the Arab Spring, and about the morality of vigilantism. Has nothing at all to do with religion. But thanks for tanking this thread with your bigotry and ignorance.
     
  18. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    wow you hate being called a bigot but you seem hell bent on making sure its immpossible to do otherwise
     
  19. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    um your the own who brought up the faith not anybody else so quit your bitching. your clearly just trolling for comments on your hatred of islam here.
     
  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    You just spent a quite a bit of effort agreeing with me. Yes I realize that "disgusting" is subjective and that was my point. You find it disgusting, but to say "it is disgusting" means that some kind of object or property of an object exists in objective reality that is "disgusting". That would make it fully measurable and exists whether or not a person is around to interpret it. That is of course something you cannot demonstrate because "disgusting" is subjective and not objective. If you can demonstrate otheriwse, you are welcome to. Until that point, all you have is an opinion just like me. Let's however expore the inverse of my opinion because you are so against it. Why should I (or anyone else) find middle-eastern Muslims valuable? Just saying that people are inherently valuable isn't an argument as it is again entirely subjective. Let's go for some real objective reasons and evidence.
     
  21. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That is incorrect. What I did was state that they are not valuable to me based on their geography and religion as combined criteria. It's no different than me stating that U.S. Muslims are valuable to me. Both are true statements of my opinion.

    That's also incorrect. I said that I don't mind them killing each other.

    My statement means that they are not valuable in my opinion. Also, this is the definition of hate speech for your reference:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

    The very first statement you issued (no matter how sarcastically intended) says otherwise: "The religion of...wait, no, that's not...nevermind."

    Most (if not all) societies deteriorate to various degrees if their government is overthrown / outsted by the local population. A power vaccum then often gets filled by generally not so good things. Vigilantism is likely a symptom of that in Egypt. That's somewhat obvious but I suspect you would not have made this thread if something specific wasn't on your mind, so let me turn the question back to you: what do you think about this?
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Then you should have said so. Instead, you made the statement "They really aren't that valuable." You expect us to extrapolate a crude and callous "they aren't that valuable to me based on their geography" from such a blunt and obviously bigoted statement? We're not mind-readers.


    You're splitting hairs. What your comment boils down to is that their lives are not of any value. You are now amending this to say, at least from what it seems, that they have no value to you, which is still a gross statement to make, but perhaps not bigoted.

    Which is a disgusting statement to make regardless of the rationale, but it certainly appeared to be bigoted in nature.

    I see your wiki and raise you Dictionary.com:

    and the World English Dictionary:

    So yes, your comment certainly falls within those parameters.

    I can certainly see how this has been misconstrued. I was attempting to make a joking reference to my previous thread, and the heat that was brought by bleeding-heart morons eager for a cause to champion. If I were to spell it out completely, it would have read: "The religion of...wait, this doesn't have anything to do with religion..." I'll amend it now, for the sake of clarity. I certainly wasn't trying to imply that religion was responsible at all for this event. This clearly is about Egypt's societal deterioration since the Arab Spring.

    Horrible attempt at a deflection, troll. I'm aware of all that, I just wanted to get everyone else's opinions on it. I like learning things from people who know more than I do about things.
     
  23. Balerion Banned Banned

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    I was jokingly referring to the previous thread, but I've amended the opening line for clarity.

    I also don't deny my distaste for Islam, so I don't know what makes you think I'd be trying to hide it. Islam is an awful philosophy that, since its fall roughly a thousand years ago, has brought little else but bloodshed and unrest to the world. I don't apologize for holding that opinion. However, this thread isn't about Islam, it's about the trouble in Egypt.
     

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