Electric guitars and Church...

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by Seattle, Nov 5, 2018.

  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The question would be how much.
    Much less than the church is too often credited with.
    Often: the church paid for it, and modified it, and regulated it, and in the end monopolized it - that's not the same as creating it.

    Again, not to dismiss the nurturing and cultivation and even innovation support at times - my central objection is the absence of gratitude and credit, and even the presence of persecution and suppression, in the church's relationships with the sources.
     
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  3. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    OK that's arguable I suppose.

    It's the idea of cultural appropriation, of something developed by and for the church, that I find strange.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to hear Jimi Hendrix play Amazing Grace.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'd like to hear Frier Tuck play Voodoo Chile.
     
  8. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    As I recall, the (holy Roman Catholic) church in Europe deliberately built its cathedrals on 'pagan' worship sites with the goal/intent of incorporating/ingesting those persons into their religion. Music and other cultural items same-same. Much of that culture was forced - literally. (No-one expects the Spanish Inquisition!) Still going on in several and diverse forms, unfortunately.

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  9. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well here he is playing J S Bach at least:



    I don't know the piece however. Sounds as if it could be a solo from one of the cantatas but could equally well be something else entirely. I'd be interested if anyone here can say what it is.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Well, I don't have that, but I do have The Rheostatics↱, "Jesus Was Once A Teenager, Too".

     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes I saw that, but I am not convinced he is playing a harpsichord piece. Sounds to me more like a vocal solo from somewhere. But I could be wrong: Bach's music is virtually medium-independent, something that Hendrix in fact demonstrated in that performance.

    I remember being thunderstruck by a demonstration given during a rehearsal for the B Minor Mass. Our director asked the accompanist to play just the Alto and Tenor vocal lines (i.e. the two "inner" parts of a 4-part texture) of a section we were learning, to show how they interrelated. And he played. After a couple of minutes of this I turned to my neighbour and said I would pay good money to hear that in a keyboard recital. It was a fabulous interweaving counterpoint of great delicacy. And that was just the 2 inner parts!
     
  13. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    That is not Jimi playing Bach. Someone stuck a Bach piece onto the film of Jimi at Woodstock.
     
  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The brief clip of him playing the phrase is probably real, though - he did do stuff like that. (I took that as the inspiration).
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    An insider's mention of music in evangelical American Christian churches:
    https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/the-political-theology-of-trump/
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Bart:
    Hymns here! I got hymns here! Get 'em while they're holy, straight from God's brain to your mouth! (laughs evilly)
    Reverend Lovejoy:
    And now, please rise for our opening hymn, uhhh, "In the Garden of Eden" by I. Ron Butterfly.
    (organist plays opening riff)
    Congregation
    In the garden da-vida, honey!
    Doncha know that I love you?
    In the garden of Eden, baby,
    Doncha know that I'll always be true.
    (Bart laughs evilly)
    Homer:
    Hey, Marge, remember when we used to make out to this hymn?
    (Marge giggles and then shushes Homer.)
    (organist plays until the congregation comes back in)
    Congregation:
    Oh, wonchu come with me-hee-hee
    And take my hand-a-and?
    Oh, wonchu come with me-hee-hee
    Reverend Lovejoy:
    Wait a minute, this sounds like rock and/or roll! (beach ball bounces off his head)
    And walk this land?
    (organist plays the rest of the 17-minute song until she faints on the keyboards)

    http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Did you know that a person with one eye can see more than a person with two eyes?
    If you doubt this watch:
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Even Buddhists use music in their rituals. True it is not electric guitars, but music and rhythmic chanting during worship has been with us for thousands of years.
    https://www.thoughtco.com/chanting-basic-buddhist-practice-449748

    If you observe a Buddhist chanting service you may see people bow or play gongs and drums. Priests may make offerings of incense, food and flowers to a figure on an altar. The chanting may be in a foreign language, even when everyone attending speaks English. That can seem very strange if you are under the understanding that Buddhism is a nontheistic religious practice. A chanting service can appear to be just as theistic as a Catholic mass, unless you understand the practice.
     
  19. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

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    I knew two guys who were playing EGs in church. Sadly, I never went to hear them play, but I was curious.
     
  20. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Its not that I don't like music, it is that I am not Christian. I don't believe in a god and do not respect those who steal songs/pictures/writing/research etc from others - especially to propagandize with same.

    I have several recordings of Buddhist chants, including the one that the FBI broadcast at David Coresh' Branch Davidian cult back in the day.

    My Buddhist practice is martial arts based - Taekwondo, yoga and meditation centered, similar to what the Samurai practiced. Their practice allowed them to kill or be killed with equanimity.

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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, spiritual chants and music has been part of human culture since we started the practice of worship and appeal to higher powers.

    How old is the "spiritual discipline" of buddhism? Or any religion?
    To accuse Buddhists or even Christians of stealing from modern music is a little premature, IMO.

    I'm sure buddhist chants and music existed long before electricity was invented and conversely,
    J.S. Bach stole Gregorian Chants from the Church.
    http://www.agoboston2014.org/2013/09/gregorian-chant-roots-in-the-music-of-j-s-bach/

    And American "Spirituals" and "Blues" started as rhythmical prayers.
    Religion.
    https://tesi.luiss.it/17909/1/072752_STEINFELD_SUSANNA.pdf
     
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