Evidence that God is real

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I never said such thing

    The female revived from a extremely low temperature was not dead and was able to be returned to normal by very aggressive treatment

    Another hint - frozen is not the same as hypothermia

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you. Seems the BB occurred because the laws of physics were not pertinent to the conditions of the singularity. Maybe the BB occurred because there were no laws of physics.
    Which would explain FTL inflation during the inflationary epoch.

    Mathematical/Physical laws emerged after the BB along with spacetime and matter, in a state of free chaos rather than stifling infinite density before the inflationary epoch.

    Question; If laws of physics were present before the BB, how did we get all those laws back after the BB? The laws of physics are very much in force today, aren't they?
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Example?
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Because they exist in the abstract as mathematical potentials (patterns) in the spacetime fabric (geometry) itself.......

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  8. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Eh? How does the idea of there being no laws of physics when the BB occurred help explain the notion of FTL expansion during the inflationary epoch, when there were laws of physics? And how does it (the lack of physics when the BB occurred) explain FTL expansion now?
    This sentence seems ambiguous.... Are you saying that the laws emerged after the inflationary epoch? Are you saying that the laws differed before the inflationary epoch? And how do laws emerge in a state of "free chaos"?
    If time began at the BB, it is surely meaningless to talk about "before" the BB?
     
  9. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Someone whose activities are not bent out of shape by the mere presence of God .... much like someone whose activities are not bent out of shape by the mere presence of flashing blue lights.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Threats, disparagements, insults, pivots, innuendos - - - no evidence from the oA theists.
    And there never will be. That's not why they post here.
     
  11. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    My understanding is that the BB introduced Space, which can travel faster than the speed of light, that the matter itself was not traveling faster than light through space but instead was carried along with space.
     
  12. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Erm, since I 'm not dead (I think, therefore, I ain't) the closest example of God's existence comes to me when I'm unconscious?
     
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  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Then why talk of a "political context"?
     
  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    My understanding is that space is expanding, not travelling, and hence objects appear to accelerate away from us... the further away they are form us the faster they seem to be moving away.

    However, my point to write4U was that he seemed to imply that there being no laws of physics prior to the BB helps explain FTL acceleration during the inflationary epoch. During the inflationary epoch there were laws of physics. I'm not sure how not having laws of physics prior to the BB helps explain anything at all, let alone the apparent FTL expansion during the inflationary epoch.
    I'm sure it's just muddled wording on his part, and/or misunderstanding on my part of what he is trying to convey.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, God cannot exist outside a political context unless you're unconscious or dead.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    If you have to be dead or unconscious to deal with the political angle of a situation, most people would say that is your problem ... and, furthermore, that it would represent quite an extreme.
     
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  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    So, you can't see a God outside a political context?

    Has religion ever been outside politics?
     
  18. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I have been saying the opposite.
    I assume you can see flashing blue lights without desiring to hide your crowbar (what to speak of being dead or unconscious in order to avoid the long arm of the law).

    And the politics of this world represents what exactly? A type of honour amongst thieves?
     
  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Let's cut this short.

    I'm an evil person because I cannot perceive God.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No physics, no laws of physics, no restrictions, only permissions, including FTL.

    IMO, the BB was a "singular" event. I would hazard a guess that the BB was a single mega-quantum event where everything happened all at once and all at the same time. Chronology (time) and physical laws emerged after the event along with the emergence of matter and physical interactions.
    Well, I am simply going by the evidence. After the BB, as spacetime inflated and cooled, laws of physics emerged along with matter from potential state to being expressed as physical permissions and restrictions.
    The Laws of Chaos!
    Emergent physical phenomena.
    Yes, IMO, what happened before the BB has no bearing on our reality at all. It would be interesting to form a model, but it would be useless as those conditions no longer exist or will ever exist again.. Our world did not start until spacetime became geometrically measurable and particles acquired mass, as soon as temperature "allowed" (a physical law invoked by cooling plasma).

    The rest is just history.
     
  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well yes, but only those laws which were directly invoked by the inflationary epoch.
    For instance, the law of exponential function was probably non-existent before the BB. There was only a singularity and the law of gravity, nothing was expanding , yet.

    With the event of the BB the universe started inflating (expanding) in accordance with the law of "exponential function".

    The laws of physics did not emerge until matter started appearing.
    P.S. Sarkus, thank you for your patience and allowing me to explain further when my posts lack clarity.
     
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  22. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Are you trying to be funny or is it just an accident?
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think the more important point was that absence of an explanation doesn't give any explanation equal credibility.
     

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