Evolution should be classified as something other than science

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by switchfoot, Nov 27, 2009.

  1. switchfoot Registered Member

    The Oxford Dictionary's definition of science:
    the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

    "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." Hebrews 11:1
    Evolution is based on faith because evolutionists believe in the big bang theory so evolutionists have faith that it is true.

    I think evolution should be classified as philosophy, atheism or something else but not science(because science deals with the physical and natural world, not faith!!).

    What do you think????
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    I think you haven't got a clue.
    The Big Bang is nothing to do with evolution. One is physics (cosmology) and the other is biology.
    Both are science
    Both have physical evidence.
    Both relate to the physical and natural world.
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    I think the notion that theistic religion victimizes the children of its adherents deserves some consideration.
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  7. kurros Registered Senior Member

    Yeah this is kind of a ridiculous claim.

    Also "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for" seems a ridiculous definition too, e.g. I'm sure Christians don't "hope" for a hell to burn in if they get a bit too sinful, but they have faith it exists.
  8. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

    Evolution as well as the Big Bang are both based on physical evidence that is difficult to ignore (if you have any intellectual honesty).
  9. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

    Why do so many people think evolution=The big bang, when all you have to do is spend two minutes reading bout eiher to realize they are not the same thing?
  10. baftan ******* Valued Senior Member

    And I think religious ideologies should be reclassified as "illegal", such as slavery or racism, since they aim to mislead the human mind, create discrimination among people and help spreading violence and hatred.

    What do you think?
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2009
  11. Doreen Valued Senior Member

    Evolution is either a process or a theory.
    To call evolution faith, is like calling a chair a kind of fruit. You are using words oddly.

    If you mean that the belief in the theory of evolution is based on faith, well, that is possible. It depends how the individual in question came to their belief. If they have examined evidence, thought about it in a logical fashion and deeply understand the theory, than it is precisely not based on faith. Faith is believing without evidence. If they believe it because their parents do or because they were told in school, but don't really understand it, which is the case for many, then it is possible it is based on faith. It could also be based on intuition.
  12. earth Registered Senior Member


    My thought was to try a different dictionary.
    1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
    2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
    3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
    4. systematized knowledge in general.
    5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
    6. a particular branch of knowledge.
    7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

    Science is not based on faith rather a precise application of facts. Evolution is a fact and not a faith. Faith has no skill when determining facts.
  13. Kapyong Writer Registered Senior Member


    What complete and utter nonsense.
    The BB and evolution are completely un-related.

    Why are creationists so incredibly ignorant of the subjects they criticise?

  14. LColburn86 Registered Member

    You can have faith in something that is physically proven. Its the same as saying you believe something, just with better judgement. Faith is just used so often in the religious sence that its synonomous with a lack of proof.
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member


    If it's in front of you, e.g. physical, then faith isn't required.
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2009
  16. LColburn86 Registered Member

    faith does not have to be a proven. that is my point. check the other 4 numbers. you do not NEED a lack of proof to have faith. it is not required. it isnt required, but it doesnt have to be. You can have faith that you wont be robbed today, and then kill yourself. Its absurd but it would be true. and your faith would not have been misplaced. but i guess you would have to have the proof before you do it. HAHA!! guess ur right dude.
  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Er, you claimed that there can be faith when there's proof. In which case it isn't faith.

    1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. -i.e no proof.
    3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters. - i.e. no proof.
    4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. - i.e. no proof.
    5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith. - i.e. no proof.
    6. A set of principles or beliefs. - i.e. no proof.

    It's faith ONLY when there's no proof/ evidence.

    You could have faith - but the proposition isn't provable beforehand. Therefore there's no proof.
  18. LColburn86 Registered Member

    Soooo... when Obama said "I have great faith in this country; that we may over come the shackles of ignorance, and bring about real change."?

    He was basically talking out of His ass? LMBO thats good to know.

    Your smart dude. I know it was my fault for not looking it up in the first place but when someone says something so much you tend to believe it's true in the context its given.

    Now explain to me why Evolution can not be a philosophy. Its almost faith, since there is no proof.
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Well maybe not talking out of his ass, but he was expressing a hope rather than a cast-iron certainty.

    Er no.
    There IS proof, and lots of it.
    There are a couple of threads entitled "Denial of Evolution", (latest one here, and the OP includes links to the other two), and there's also this thread which is probably the most recent one to cover some of the data we have that validate it.
    Evolution is a fact, not a hope or a belief.
  20. LColburn86 Registered Member

  21. superstring01 Moderator

    Who said that all, or even most, evolutionists believe in the "Big Ban" theory?

  22. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

    I am an evolutionist and I do not subscribe to the Big Bang theory. For me evolution is a science, regardless of which dictionary you use. No faith is involved.

    Where does that leave your argument?
  23. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

    I think you believe in the "Big Ban" theory of moderation.

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