Firstly, before the discussion, which I hope is intellectual and constructive, begins, I would like you to check out the following videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFanG5s01M The Scientific Method http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl1MClbdCj0 Darwin vs Intelligent Design ---- The first is not necessary, but in order to really understand what I'm saying here, you have to watch the second. Both are entertaining and informative, which is a huge plus, of course. My argument, or rather, the structure of the entire argument that I am looking for is to be built off of those videos, so please watch and enjoy. ---- Now, back to evolution and intelligent design. Both have no concrete evidence, but both are logical enough ideas. I, being an agnostic, consider both open to serious possibility at the moment, until further conclusive proof is found. My main point is addressed to atheists, however, because they, for some reason unknown to me, treat intelligent design as the same thing as creationism (see my "religion and concept" thread); for instance, if you suggest intelligent design, they say "sure it's possible, about as possible as us being [insert ridiculous thing here]". But seriously, intelligent design is a serious and logical idea about how we came to be: that we were created. What is so amazing ridiculous about that that you need to go off comparing it to us being the hair of a blue unicorn in zawaza? However, also, evolution isn't fact. It's theory. It hasn't been observed and doesn't have serious evidence. Do we really want to teach evolution as undeniable fact, when it remains a theory (and, although it has a good number of circumstancial evidence, it lacks any serious objective conclusive evidence)? In my opinion, both intelligent design and evolution should be taught, but not as facts, but as ideas. *Attention* Keep in mind, this is about intelligent design and evolution, NOT creationism and evolution.