Evolution v Intelligent Design; Should we really teach evolution?

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  1. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Norsefire, I believe Kadark says this quite well. I'm going to quote him again. Basically, just because the evidence isn't definitive(there's a small chance it's wrong) doesn't mean there's reason to dismiss it as false, or foolish to believe.

    In his quote, he is talking about doubting the existence of Mohammad. While I am not saying I believe Mohammad exists, I believe this quote relates quite well.
     
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  3. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Very incorrect. Evolution has centuries of documented supportive evidence... so much so that it's simply a fact that it exists. ID has zero supportive evidence.


    Evolution is a fact and it's also supported by evidence. An educational system should not waste time on anthropomophic ideas.
     
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  10. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    You can ONLY believe in ID if you are a theist.
     
  11. Betrayer0fHope MY COHERENCE! IT'S GOING AWAYY Registered Senior Member

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    Norsefire doesn't believe ID, he thinks the idea is rational enough to be taught in schools along with evolution.
     
  12. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    So he says, but in the mean time it looks like he's promoting it.
     
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    kind of begs the q why biology is nowhere near as predictable as physics, eh?

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  14. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Not really..
     
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    As I have already pointed out "rational enough" is meaningless. There are no degrees of rationality.

    As I have also said, ID can be taught as part of a course on mythology ( creation myths ). Alternatively it can come under religious studies. It has no place in science.
     
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    In the last 40 years alone the average womans shoe has gone up 4 sizes, people are getting a lot taller, surviving a lot longer, in 200 years there wont be any natural blondes left.

    Life is 'changing' all the time - of course we never notice it, but given the time frame it seems entirely meaningless to claim "a massive one".

    Most certainly - but not in science class as we've already established that it isn't science. You will see no objection from me whatsoever to teaching it as "an idea" in RE class or in church.

    Actually having mentioned that, do you request the same thing of churches? Do you tell them they should teach evolution alongside their large sermons on ID? Come now, fairs fair right?
     
  17. buckybeam Registered Member

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    what if we gained the power to create a universe. theoretically it is possible.

    in that universe we create life. we plant the seed for evolution of life. wouldn't it be funny to watch all those little creations sit around and argue ID vs evolution. would they be the same, evolution and id or would they be different? would the creations be right or wrong?
     
  18. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    And what if ...................the possibilities are endless. Your speculation is pointless.
     
  19. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    I see ID as an evolutionary step for God. In order for God to survive the relentless assault on his creativeness, it is necessary for religion to adapt, that is to turn God into some wonderfully sage divine engineer. God needed a new image, not the spur of the moment, fire and brimstone, wave of the hand type but more calculating and deliberate. Ironically, ID demonstrates evolution.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes Bucky, turtles upon turtles upon turtles...
     
  21. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    ID most certainly dies not demonstrate evolution.
     
  22. PsychoticEpisode It is very dry in here today Valued Senior Member

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    Creationism was getting creamed, near death. It survives because it adapted. It will still get blistered and then it will change again. It will keep on changing in order to survive. I was merely referring to adaptation, an analogy. Creationism, the thing that won't die needs something akin to an asteroid impact.
     
  23. buckybeam Registered Member

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    how is it pointless
     

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