Evolution - Yes it DID bloody well happen!

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  1. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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  3. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Ignorance flows freely on these forums I see.

    Do you know what RNA is?

    Ben
     
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  5. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    ribonucleinacid (sp)
     
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  7. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    I spent half an hour trying to convince this hopefully hot girl from the midwest that evolution is real. She said that her science teacher who also *ahem* happens to be her mom told her that evolution wasn't real. She was religious. That seriously freaks me out.
     
  8. daktaklakpak God is irrelevant! Registered Senior Member

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    It's so funny to read that all courts ruled that it's illegel to teach creation science in public schools.
     
  9. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Do you know the function of RNA?

    Ben
     
  10. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    function of RNA

    RNA is structurally similar to DNA!

    Both nucleic acids are sugar-phosphate polymers and both have nitrogen bases attached to the sugars of the backbone- but there are several important differences.


    They differ in composition:
    The sugar in RNA is ribose, not the deoxyribose in DNA
    The base uracil is present in RNA instead of thymine.

    They also differ in size and structure:
    RNA molecules are smaller (shorter) than DNA molecules,
    RNA is single-stranded, not double-stranded like DNA.

    Another difference between RNA and DNA is in function. DNA has only one function-STORING GENETIC INFORMATION in its sequence of nucleotide bases. But there are three main kinds of ribonucleic acid, each of which has a specific job to do.
    Ribosomal RNAs-exist outside the nucleus in the cytoplasm of a cell in structures called ribosomes. Ribosomes are small, granular structures where protein synthesis takes place. Each ribosome is a complex consisting of about 60% ribosomal RNA (rRNA) and 40% protein.
    Messenger RNAs-are the nucleic acids that "record" information from DNA in the cell nucleus and carry it to the ribosomes and are known as messenger RNAs (mRNA).
    Transfer RNAs-The function of transfer RNAs (tRNA) is to deliver amino acids one by one to protein chains growing at ribosomes.
     
  11. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Right so now you've got 3 types of RNA and 1 type of DNA that must be present in order to life to come of it. If one part doesn't exist or is broken nothing works.

    It's an irreducible system.

    I thought it was funny the first time an evolutionist brought it up as "proof" of evolution when in fact it's another nail in the evolutionary coffin.

    Ben
     
  12. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    I see nthing funny here. 4 blocks for life isn't so much and there are endless possibilities in our universe for these combinations to take place->
    DNA and RNA must be present only for a hydrogen based life form, but there can be also carbon based (so some theories say) and heck what more..........
    We now know actually what life is on earth and what it might be on other planets, but DNA&RNA are not the only possible primary elements for life to develop
    Cheers!
     
  13. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    No wonder you think evolution could happen.

    You have no clue of the implications of the problem of RNA and DNA. Any irreducable system nullifies the theory of evolution.

    There had to have been creatures that only had RNA
    No creatures in existance today have only RNA
    Creatures with only RNA are unobservable

    Faith is believing in the unseen
    Evolutionists believe in creatures with only RNA
    Evolution is based on faith

    Faith is foundation of religion

    This is all very simple to comprehend.

    Ben
     
  14. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    but evolution has more facts to cover it back thn religion
    and evolution doesn't explain how life was xreated, it explains how life is changing and developing
    cheers!
     
  15. Aware watcher Registered Senior Member

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    daktak,
    are u serious?? there is laws like that?!?
     
  16. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Ben,

    Evolution is real, deal with it and move on.
     
  17. Markx Registered Senior Member

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    Do you also beleive that Humans came from monkies? Or evolve from them??
     
  18. Thirty Seven Baron von "Guns N' Roses" Registered Senior Member

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    Umm yes we do, If you dont please stand up.
     
  19. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Markx,

    I believe the evidence points to parallel paths with a common ancestor.

    Cris
     
  20. daktaklakpak God is irrelevant! Registered Senior Member

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    In 1987 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that creationism is religion, not science, and cannot be advocated in public school classrooms.

    Why can't we teach creation science in my school?

    The courts have ruled that "creation science" is actually a religious view. Because public schools must be religiously neutral under the U.S. Constitution, the courts have held that it is unconstitutional to present creation science as legitimate scholarship.

    In particular, in a trial in which supporters of creation science testified in support of their view, a district court declared that creation science does not meet the tenets of science as scientists use the term (McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education). The Supreme Court has held that it is illegal to require that creation science be taught when evolution is taught (Edwards v. Aguillard). In addition, district courts have decided that individual teachers cannot advocate creation science on their own (Peloza v. San Juan Capistrano School District and Webster v. New Lennox School District). (See Teaching About Evolution and the Nature of Science, Appendix A. National Academy of Sciences, Washington, D.C. 1998.)

    Teachers' organizations such as the National Science Teachers Association, the National Association of Biology Teachers, the National Science Education Leadership Association, and many others also have rejected the science and pedagogy of creation science and have strongly discouraged its presentation in the public schools. In addition, a coalition of religious and other organizations has noted in "A Joint Statement of Current Law" that "in science class, [schools] may present only genuinely scientific critiques of, or evidence for, any explanation of life on Earth, but not religious critiques (beliefs unverifiable by scientific methodology)." (See Teaching About Evolution and the Nature of Science, Appendices B and C, National Academy of Sciences, Washington, D.C., 1998.)

    If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

    Humans did not evolve from modern apes, but humans and modern apes shared a common ancestor, a species that no longer exists. Because we share a recent common ancestor with chimpanzees and gorillas, we have many anatomical, genetic, biochemical, and even behavioral similarities with these African great apes. We are less similar to the Asian apes--orangutans and gibbons--and even less similar to monkeys, because we share common ancestors with these groups in the more distant past.

    Evolution is a branching or splitting process in which populations split off from one another and gradually become different. As the two groups become isolated from each other, they stop sharing genes, and eventually genetic differences increase until members of the groups can no longer interbreed. At this point, they have become separate species. Through time, these two species might give rise to new species, and so on through millennia.


    Molecular evolutionary data counter a recent proposition called "intelligent design theory." Proponents of this idea argue that structural complexity is proof of the direct hand of God in specially creating organisms as they are today. These arguments echo those of the 18th century cleric William Paley who held that the vertebrate eye, because of its intricate organization, had been specially designed in its present form by an omnipotent Creator. Modern-day intelligent design proponents argue that molecular structures such as DNA, or molecular processes such as the many steps that blood goes through when it clots, are so irreducibly complex that they can function only if all the components are operative at once. Thus, proponents of intelligent design say that these structures and processes could not have evolved in the stepwise mode characteristic of natural selection.

    However, structures and processes that are claimed to be "irreducibly" complex typically are not on closer inspection. For example, it is incorrect to assume that a complex structure or biochemical process can function only if all its components are present and functioning as we see them today. Complex biochemical systems can be built up from simpler systems through natural selection. Thus, the "history" of a protein can be traced through simpler organisms. Jawless fish have a simpler hemoglobin than do jawed fish, which in turn have a simpler hemoglobin than mammals.

    The evolution of complex molecular systems can occur in several ways. Natural selection can bring together parts of a system for one function at one time and then, at a later time, recombine those parts with other systems of components to produce a system that has a different function. Genes can be duplicated, altered, and then amplified through natural selection. The complex biochemical cascade resulting in blood clotting has been explained in this fashion.

    Similarly, evolutionary mechanisms are capable of explaining the origin of highly complex anatomical structures. For example, eyes may have evolved independently many times during the history of life on Earth. The steps proceed from a simple eye spot made up of light-sensitive retinula cells (as is now found in the flatworm), to formation of individual photosensitive units (ommatidia) in insects with light focusing lenses, to the eventual formation of an eye with a single lens focusing images onto a retina. In humans and other vertebrates, the retina consists not only of photoreceptor cells but also of several types of neurons that begin to analyze the visual image. Through such gradual steps, very different kinds of eyes have evolved, from simple light-sensing organs to highly complex systems for vision.
     
  21. Thirty Seven Baron von "Guns N' Roses" Registered Senior Member

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    Think about it, in the bible it preaches that "god created all humans" and "god is perfect" Now tell me, to be perfect you must either be everything or nothing. And he is not in everything, he is not in me.He is not in my fingers. He is not in my keyboard. He is not in my computer. If he was, he wouldnt let me type that he wasnt. And since he is not in me, he is not in everything, which means he must be the other possibility, which is being nothing. And nothing is he.

    And also, we commonly refer to god as a "him" if he was perfect, he could not not be a him. He could not be a her. He could theoretically be either or nothing.
     
  22. KalvinB Publicity Whore Registered Senior Member

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    Cris <b>EVOLUTION IS A RELIGION GET OVER IT</b>

    Until you can see it, all you have is faith.

    Ben
     
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