It means treating something non-Godlike as if it were God, I suppose. The problem I have with this explanation of the determinist position is that it sort of treats "the universe" like a conscious entity with desires and plans. When we talk about having control, we're usually talking about a person or at least a living being, aren't we? The universe isn't like that, as far as I'm aware. Not really. I assume that was extracted from one of the Free Will threads. Is the current thread a separate discussion, or should I merge it into one of those threads? I don't see why a fatalist has to believe the universe is God. For example, a Muslim can believe that everything happens according to the will of Allah, in which case they are a fatalistic theist. I don't see any necessary connection between atheism and one's views on the question of free will. You can be atheist and still believe in free will, or not believe in it. Atheism is a separate issue about whether you believe there is a god or gods. If you want to equate the term "extreme atheist" with "non-believer in free will", why use the term atheist? Atheism exists in opposition to theism, not to the idea of free will. You might want to try to show that atheism necessarily implies a non-belief in free will, but you'll have an uphill battle there. A fatalist believes that the future is set. It can be set by God, or by natural forces. I don't see why you're insisting it's like a God, unless, as I said earlier, you're trying to suggest that the universe is equivalent to a God for the fatalist, for some reason. It seems to me that the universe lacks many of the traditional attributes of gods.