False Idols

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Corp.Hudson, Nov 11, 1999.

  1. Corp.Hudson Registered Senior Member

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    Am I incorrect in understanding thatthe second commandment reads "you shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in the heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath..." (Exodus 20:4, standard revised version of the bible). If this is the second commandment, then would not every person wearing a cross about their neck be a sinner? Is that not a graven image of something on the earth, and people do worship it.
     
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  3. truestory Registered Senior Member

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    Are you talking about a crucifix? If so, I don't think people worship the crucifix itself. They worship God, the Son, Jesus Christ, who died on the cross.
     
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  5. Oxygen One Hissy Kitty Registered Senior Member

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    I've always been curious about how the faithful reconcile that commandment with their tendency to pray to the saints and the statues of the saints. It seems to me that this practice is akin to putting "other gods" before him.
     
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Truestory:

    I don't think the focus of worship has ever been the issue here; eighteen years in a Lutheran family, four years in Catholic school, and eight years of just meeting people and discussing ideas have given me the notion that it's the image, not the name behind it.

    Thus I find the Catholic idea of praying the rosary slightly out of place; also engraved icons or statues of angels.

    I get the difference you're getting after here. I accept it wholeheartedly, as symbols can only be owned by convention. But my own experience tells me that the separation of the image itself and the act of worship has made little difference in the past, especially within the "official" presentation of various church ideas (and yes, we still recall that you are not necessarily a subscriber to that presentation).

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    Corp.Hudson:

    I tend to agree with the bit about wearing crosses. But the church has changed since then. After all, according to that same section of the Bible, tattoos are sinful and the handicapped shouldn't be in the clergy.

    And while I try quite hard to be understanding, or at least indifferent when a cultural idea seems foreign and odd to me, I still wonder what Jesus himself would think of those little reflective icons so popular among Latin American Catholics. You know, Jesus looking contemplative on a background of chrome sunburst?

    thx,
    Tiassa

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  8. Corp.Hudson Registered Senior Member

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    The commandment does not say "Thou shalt not worship idols." It specifically says that images of heavenly and earthly religous things are forbidden. This is yet another example of the church ignoring the specific word of god to suit their own personal ideals.

    [This message has been edited by Corp.Hudson (edited November 16, 1999).]
     
  9. Dreyin Registered Member

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    In late response, just to specify that idols are indeed images of heavenly and earthly religous things. The way it was described in the last response was a contradiction.
     

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