Famous neuroscientist proves telepathy!

Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by Magical Realist, Jan 11, 2014.

  1. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I've had another experience. I can know what's going to happen next. I can also sing in a, say, hyper tone. Neither are as cool as my vision into the fallen angel of omniscience being part of hell with hatred, and temptation (i.e. Justice, and healing) being the devil dog and his purpose.

    Gnosis is a tempt, wisdom is a liar, and virtue is a rebel.
    If you gave angels free will you don't get to know.
    Determinism is synonymous with knowledge.
     
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  3. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Where was this breakthrough revolutionary experiment published? I would love to read it!
     
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  5. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I will believe telepathy exists when two subjects can transmit/receive 4/5-digit numbers provided by an experimenter. The context should be a good experimental setup to avoid fraud.
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Just curious - if you put in gibberish at one end and somebody telepathically receives it at the other end, is the received gibberish accurate? It seems to me that transmitting gibberish telepathically would be more impressive than transmitting sense telepathically. The receiver can interpolate to fix transmission errors in sense but not in gibberish.
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    See Dinosaur's post #23. That would suffice.
     
  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    To deny replica-table science experiments is not wise.

    From MPOV, I cannot deny science as I know there is something going on even though all that is being found has yet to be proven to the higher degree that it needs before acceptance of all of us. I cannot deny my own experience. I can only try to explain it.

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  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Psychobabble is just that.

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  11. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You might have a point but FMPOV, I do not see a mind in contact with another as able to lie to it as it would be seen as a lie. As Persinger pointed out in his research, he is concluding that we would not be able to keep secrets from each other. Having tasted the emotional part of telepathy, I tend to agree with him.

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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    How are they replicable?

    Because if they are, you can bet I'll be at your door within a few heartbeats of quitting my job to be your agent.
     
  13. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I completely agree: psychobabble is just sychobabble. However, no portion of my post in any way consisted of psychobabble, implicit or explicit.

    I recommend you read it again. It will help you improve your grasp of word meaning and that, in turn, will help you avoid making such embarrassing posts.
     
  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Persinger is replicating his results on a constant basis.

    I do not think he is getting the depth as yet that proves his case as much as we would like but they are replicate-able experiments of real telepathy. That is my view thanks to my own experience.

    If it was easy, I would have Randy's million in my bank account.

    Both my wife and I would pass a lie detector test but many do not take that as evidence either.

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  15. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Ditto.

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  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The strong evidence against it is that it doesn't pass a double blind test and that it isn't replicable by independent parties.

    Having a vision or being in touch with a family member isn't telepathy.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I was referring to your personal experience with your wife. That was the post I was responding to.
    I thought you were telling me that you were able to replicate your ability.
     
  18. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    From DaveC426913 Post #10
    You seem to be suggesting the possible existence of some transmission mechanism unknown to modern science yet usable by the human brain.

    That seems like bad Scifi or good fantasy fiction, not reasonable conjecture.

    BTW: Every known capability of human beings plots similarly to a bell shaped curve. Some having less or very little & others having more or a a significanExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence to be considered credible. Anecdotes without supporting evidence are not worthy of consideration.t amount, with many between the two extremes..

    Telepathy believers seem to describe an ability that some have & most do not. Not a bell shaped curve.
    This seems to be at least mild if not strong evidence against its existence.

    I and most rational folks do not accept unsubstantiated claims for unusual phenomena.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed.

    But I'm not suggesting there is a mechanism, I'm simply saying that arguing something new doesn't exist because our electrical probes don't pick it up is not a string case.


    This is unsubstantiated, and a poor rationale for extrapolation.


    Do we find Rh factor distributes on a bell curve between +ive and -ive?
    Do we find gender distributes on a bell curve between male and female?
    Do we find albinism distributes on a bell curve between pink eyes and other coloured eyes?

    There are lots of traits that are extremely rare. They may be on a bell curve, but are extremely skewed towards one end, so that only one in many millions manifest such a trait.


    To be clear, I'm not supporting telepathy, I'm simply poking holes in what I see as a weak argument for us skeptics.

    By far the strongest evidence against telepathy is that it cannot be replicated under 3rd party controlled conditions. Until it can be, there's really no need to speculate.
     
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  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't say lie. I was replying to a post which I perceived to be gibberish. I was suggesting that gibberish is similar to random numbers in that the receiver couldn't "cheat" by filling in the blanks - because he'd have no way of knowing what the blanks should be.
     
  21. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    No can do unfortunately, or fortunately from her POV. It was not a pleasant experience for her. Not at the depth that I reached as compared to the replica-table work of Persinger and others.

    Here is an example of other replica-table works.

    http://www.noeticscience.co.uk/tag/telepathy/

    Regards
    DL
     
  22. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    From DaveC426913 Post #11
    I noticed the if in your Post, which makes your Post much less than a claim for its existence.

    It suggests some transmission mechanism detectable by a human brain & not detectable by any of our current scientific instruments. Id est: A currently unknown transmission mechanism.



    The statement reminds me of
    I posted the following
    Referring to the above, DaveC426913 Post #36
    The traits I had in mind were abilities & characteristics like
    Two of your examples occur with binary values (sex & the Rh factor), the third also has discrete values.

    Note that believers in telepathy seem to claim that few have it & the rest of us do not. If telepathy existed would you not expect it to manifest more like visual acuity than like the Rh factor?
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I try to be open-minded to the possibility of things we have not discovered. While there is, in my opinion, no qualifying evidence to suggest that telepathy exists (and if I were a betting man, I would bet it does not) I would not go so far as to say I am sure it doesn't exist. Same wth God, UFOs and aliens.
     
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