Finding A Legal Loophole, Memphis Takes Down Its Confederate Statues

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  1. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...le-memphis-takes-down-its-confederate-statues

    Bwahaha, that is fucking brilliant! I particularly love

    The move did not sit well with Republicans in the Tennessee House, who called for an investigation on Thursday.
    "We are governed by the rule of law here in Tennessee and these actions are a clear infringement of this principle and set a dangerous precedence for our state," House Majority Leader Glen Casada and House Republican caucus chairman Ryan Williams wrote in a statement, according to the Commercial Appeal.
    Of course Republicans are pissed - they thought they had managed to ignore the will of the people by refusing the request for waiver, only to have an end-run done to circumvent their pathetic attempts to keep monuments to their white supremacist idols.

    *wipes a tear* Oh man oh man, the fact that they use the concept of private business against them is just icing on the cake. Priceless.
     
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  3. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    The more this piss off republicans the better, another "You will not replace us! Jews will not replace us!" rally and speaking of how both sides were bad, would be nice, less deaths though.

    "We are governed by the rule of law here in Tennessee and these actions are a clear infringement of this principle and set a dangerous precedence for our state," House Majority Leader Glen Casada and House Republican caucus chairman Ryan Williams wrote in a statement, according to the Commercial Appeal.

    Among the questions the lawmakers will be asking is whether the city violated sunshine laws by coordinating the sale to a private company and whether anyone was set to gain personally by selling properties at a lower-than-market price.

    They should sell it back to the city at an even lower price and the city says "what the problem, just some free market capitalism going on here, we sold the parks to them, they removed the statues and we bought it back for a higher price, win-win, we should sell more parks with statues that people are willing to pay to take down."
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    precedent

    Today Memphis can sell public property to a private corporation.
    Tomorrow:..................................................?
    Yosemite?
    Yellowstone?
    ..........................................?..................(fill in the blank).....................................

    Working your way around a law may actually seem like a good idea today.
    In the long run---------------just how many laws would you like to see "worked around"?

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    I seem to remember something about Trump wanting to sell some national monument land.
    Did he succeed?
     
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  7. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    I would not mind buying Yosemite, how much?
     
  8. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That's not a "precedent" - that's been status quo for some time;
    a successful rightwing Republican political effort of the past few decades. That's how those laws get on the books. It was there yesterday, it will be there tomorrow, because the Republicans (and rightwing Dems) want it there.

    Karma. The law, and its pernicious consequences of the past and future, did not magically come into being when some more liberal folks decided to take advantage of it.
    A Republican goal. Drilling rights, mining, geothermal, private resorts and clubs.

    Will this will make them more careful?
    Nah.
     
  10. Kittamaru Never cruel nor cowardly... Staff Member

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    Much like how they have just opened up a good stretch of Alaska to drilling... yay for spoiling more of our natural wonders for profits!
     
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah honestly I don't see why republicans are not over joyed: this is what they wanted! Alaska's for sale, why not some statues of confederates?
     
  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    He can always sign an edict removing government protection of nature preserves, seashores, air, water and endangered species - not to mention citizens.
    He's done all of those. He doesn't need a legal precedent.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I assume those statues are now privately owned and the owner(s) can do with them as they wish, including auction them off to supremacists. Even if they show up where they're not welcome, at least the people they offend aren't required to pay for their maintenance.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Sound great! if some alt-righter republican wants to put up the statue on their private property I have no problem with it, I also have no problem with someone purchasing the statues, chopping off the head and installing a toilet over the neck hole to shit in: freemarket baby!
     
  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Same as Memphis parks?

    No open public bidding just sell public property to a crony for a small fraction of it's open market value.

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    Known as the “Wizard of the Saddle” for his ingenious use of cavalry forces during the Civil War, Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest rose from the rank of private to lieutenant general despite having no previous military training.

    Ok so $1000.00 was paid for the land and statue-------------I'd bid $10.00 for the statue.
    Who's the crook who would be selling the statue?

    Edit to fix LaTeX formatting - Kittamaru
     
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  16. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well then why did you not bid for more?
     
  17. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    I was not invited to bid.
    Nor, I suspect, was anyone else besides the lucky buyer.

    ...........................................
    Do the ends justify the means?
     
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  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    They had these plans out in the open for months now, so why did not one else demand a right to bid?
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like cities are learning Republican tricks.

    How do you like your new world?
     
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  20. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It's better to apologise than to ask permission. Corollary: It's easier to complain after the fact than to try to do something about it.
     
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  21. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Republican News:



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  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    That's how privatization works. Prisons, schools, fracking rights, mercenary contracts, watersheds... Nothing new here.
    "a Confederate Army general during the American Civil War and an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan. Before the war Forrest amassed a fortune as a planter, real estate investor, and slave trader.
    Controversy surrounds his degree of responsibility at the Battle of Fort Pillow, where nearly 300 surrendering black soldiers were slaughtered. After the war, he was a businessman and was associated with the Ku Klux Klan."
    https://www.biography.com/people/nathan-bedford-forrest-9299050
    At that inflated price, I'd want to know, too.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Love it.

    Sale of ANWR property to oil companies, and sale of leases for drilling - "well, we need oil; why do you hate progress?"
    Sale of a million acres of Grand Staircase-Escalante monument in Utah - "Trump is president and the people chose him; he can do whatever he wants."
    Elimination of Bears Ears National Monument - "So what? Who cares? Those Navajo are just sissy whiners."
    Sale of a single city block worth of park - "So what? Who . . . wait a minute! The new owners are getting rid of CONFEDERATE STATUES? Fraud! Scandal! Do the ends justify the means? Who's the crook?"
     
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