Finding Salvation

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Pipes75, Dec 28, 2009.

  1. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    I wasn't asking about love.
    Let me rephrase: who or what was responsible for saving you from yourself?
     
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  3. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    that's a tough one. i initiated an inquiry, the results of which changed me and my life. the inquiry was regarding god's existence.

    so, you could say i was responsible for initiating, or you could say god was responsible for the answer.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Because if there's no one else there, no photos no hard data... that's what makes it subjective.
    No independent corroboration.

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  7. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    subjective to you, but not to me.
     
  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That would be one definition of subjective.
     
  9. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well, photos can be photoshopped, evidence can be planted, test results skewed, but i assure you without a doubt that if you experienced what i have experienced, you would believe too. that's the beauty of it.
     
  10. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    To whom was this inquiry directed?

    Or, you could say that you were responsible for the outcome.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Granted, which is why I also used the word "corroboration".

    And that is a supposition on your part.
    Pure, unsupported, baseless supposition.
     
  12. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    well that's what i mean by the beauty of it...it's your inquiry that initiates it, and it's custom designed evidence just for you. you wouldn't and couldn't experience just what i have, but whatever you were to experience would prove it to you. otherwise it wouldn't be presented at all. cause that's how god rolls...
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    More baseless supposition.

    And another.
     
  14. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    it's based on my own experience, which imo, is the best basis i could possibly get.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ego again.
    YOUR personal subjective experience is superior to any other?
    And then you assume that I would behave the way you did?
    Simply because that's the way you behaved?

    Nothing BUT ego in your belief.
     
  16. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    so you would think it prudent to take someone else's word or evidence over your own?
     
  17. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, good answer. God is slightly more complex than this and not as boring as finding out who Santa really is.
     
  18. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    You are agreeing with him? Keep underestimating people.

    I believe in God and I can say I look down on fools, not on atheists.

    Which point of view is more logical?
     
  19. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    As indicated by my response, yes.



    I have no idea what this means.


    All contingent upon how you define "fool".

    Again, I'm not sure what you mean here.
    Which 2 POV am I to choose form?
     
  20. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    Someone who looks down on a people that believe in God.

    Someone who looks down on people that are fools.

    Fool-One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
     
  21. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    I'm guessing you have not read, The Bible, The Koran, or The Torah? I'm reading The Koran at the moment, and everything you just posted conflicts with what actually states in The Koran. God does not make mistakes. People with their own egos make mistakes. Killing= because of people not God. Anyone can claim killing in the name of God, that does not make it a true assumption/statement.

    In Islam it states that you can warn people about God's Wrath, however you will never be able to convince anyone to believe in God, unless God wanted it so. Islam also states that God, will Judge anyone of any other religion. Islam does not condemn anyone to go to hell, except atheists/unbelievers.

    You don't understand, that the only real difference between every single human being is whether you are good or bad; there is nothing else. You either have good intentions or bad intentions. That is what every single human being should be judged upon as you base your labeling and what not on anyone.
     
  22. glaucon tending tangentially Registered Senior Member

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    I still have no idea what you're saying.

    It would have been nice of you to use the quote function correctly, so I would know what questions your responses belong to.

    Anyways, there's at least one question I can answer.
    Given [what I take to be...] your definition of "fool", I would have no choice but to place the theists in that camp.
     
  23. -ND- Human Prototype Registered Senior Member

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    Lol, thank you. I know what I am dealing with now.
     

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