Free Will

We are only limited by ourselves.

 

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And by that you mean others as well as yourself, right ?

And what about circumstances ? Such as temperature, wind, humidity etc ?

 

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Care to extrapolate?

 

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Yes, we are limited by being who we are. human or personality wise.

 

When you think about it, everything we'll do is already planned. This is hard to explain, but everyone is born with certain DNA, and with a certain upbringing. Taking this into account, isn't it logical that if you asked an omniscient being what someone would do, they'd know. By the way, this isn't me trying to say anything about God, just the fact that everyone's choices and actions are pre-determined, so people thinking they can disobey fate are idiots, and everyone's life can already be seen before it happens, before they're even conceived, because everyone's actions are predictable. Noone can ever go against their DNA or personality, because that's who you are. I don't think I've done my thoughts justice with the words I've used, but I hope this is understandable.

 

That's just one little thing we're limited by though.

 

so then free-will is more than a concept , so free-will is a reality then

just to be clear , free-will is a reality

 

???

Do try a little more so as to be clear.

 

[Originally Posted by thinking]
so then free-will is more than a concept , so free-will is a reality then

just to be clear , free-will is a reality [/quote]

the ability to question(s) by the self

 

Not quite sure what you mean here.
Are you trying to say that the ability of a person to ask a question is evidence for having free-will??

 

[“ Originally Posted by thinking

yes

 

What about if a chimpanzee or a computer asks a question?

 

yes

then the chimpanzee has free-will

then the computer is programed to do so ?

how else could it

 

...as we are...

See above.

So, computers have free-will.

 

the difference being in the complexity in our fundamental constituents of ourselves vitamins , minerals , proteins etc

a computer has only minerals

my point being is this

the more constituents that an object is made of , the closer you are to the Universe

 

Regardless, compositional complexity was not part of your original criterion for free-will. According to your definition, a computer exhibits free-will.

With respect to the complexity and/or programming issue I urge you to look this up: Turing Test.

Not sure what you mean here but, whatever relevance does this have to the concept of free-will?

 

only by being programmed has the computer have the ability to do so

I am aware of him

World War 2 History

 

Yes.
Just like us.

You should do more research then.

 

inotherwords

the more constituents a being is made of the more free-will it has

a computer , no matter how much info it has or takes in , can be nothing more then the essence of what it is , silicon and the perspective of a silicon based thinking and thought object

a computer cannot ask a question unless asked by the programme , deliberately , a computer is a simple thing , it is not independent of the programmer

 

One will do 'x'. Freedom of this means that one should be without objection to what has been chosen. However the amount of determism relates to how strong the 'will' is. If this is true then determism is dependent upon will...