Fundamental or nearly fundamental energy and the origin of Intelligence?

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Would Intelligence begin in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy?

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  2. Yes

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  3. I would tend to think so at least????

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  1. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Actually having already read chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's Universe before I read Mellen Benedict's near death experience I
    was actually kind of shocked at the many similarities between what Mellen Benedict reported being shown about the history of the
    universe before the Big Bang...... with the speculations from an Agnostic angle that Dr. Stephen Hawking wrote out in that chapter that
    is entitled The Anthropic Principle.

    Did Mellen Benedict already read that book before his NDE??????

    My impression is that Mellen Benedict's near death experience occurred in the 1982 but..... "Stephen Hawking's Universe "was not published until 1989.
     
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  3. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Of course..... but in chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's Universe he goes
    into guesses on what might have happened in something like infinite time before the
    major Big Bang event of 13.72 or so billion years ago....... and as he describes an Agnostic
    or Atheistic version of the Cyclic Model he postulates the existence of an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there in which there would be no life......
    due to eletromagnetism and / or gravity and / or weak or strong nuclear force being at magnitudes that would not
    allow for life as we know it to develop.

    The obvious alternative would be for Intelligence to begin in either the one truly fundamental energy if..... there is only one......
    or in some combination of two fundamental energies if in fact there really are two forms of fundamental energy?

    A fundamental energy is NOT like electromagnetism that can be linked with gravity in five dimensions of space and time.

    Since we humans either are close to inventing A. I. (Artificial Intelligence) through computer programming, (or we may well already have A. I.)..... we know that something resembling intelligence and reasoning ability can occur in a different form than a brain like our own.
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    OK

    What was it?
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    From the above link:
    This is an inaccurate statement.

    The patient was not dead, her homeostatic processes were "suspended", but apparently her brain was still sentient. She was never "braindead".

    If you listen to this opening statement of Anil Seth, a prominent neuroscientist specializing in research on consciousness. You will hear a personal account of his experience having brain surgery, you will get an idea of what happens during anesthesia and how you enter into an unconscious vegetative state and back to a conscious sentient state.


    The point is that your consciousness reality is generated inside the brain and not directly from outside data.
    Without consciousness, reality does not exist for the individual as a sentient experience. But you can be unconscious without being braindead. Some people live in an unconscious vegetative state for years. As far as we know these individuals do not experience sentient thoughts.

    I am very interested in following the research in ORCH OR and IIT which deal with sentience in the brain at quantum levels. I can't get into that on this thread but check into these new areas of research in the mechanics of consciousness.

    But AFAIK, that has nothing to do with fundamental energies which lie well below the complex patterns of physical reality. The same as quarks are far removed from being a living braincell
     
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    It is like five paragraphs........
    that is all.....

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So we are not talking about infinite time. We are talking about finite increments of time for each try at a specific universal continuum.

    IMO, infinite time has no duration of existence. You cannot measure time itself.
    Nothingness is infinitely timeless, until there is measurable change and then there is time!
     
  12. Steve Klinko Registered Senior Member

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    It is doubtful that these experiences are anything except Dreams and Hallucinations. The people that claim such Experiences say they are not located in their Bodies anymore but yet are Seeing the World as if they were still in their Bodies. They are Seeing images as if there was Physical Light being focused on Physical Retinas and processed by Physical Brains. But yet they say they are Outside of their Bodies. So how is this happening? From my point of view this cannot be happening. The Conscious Mind has separated from the Brain. A separated Conscious Mind is not going to be able to See like it did when it was Connected to a Physical Brain. The Visual Experience is a very special kind Seeing that requires a Brain and Physical Eye system with Optics. We need to get used to the reality that being a separated Conscious Mind will be a very different existence than being a Conscious Mind connected to a Brain.
     
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    His lecture was certainly good......
    but I really did prefer how Dr. Eben Alexander put all of this together.......
    apparently with over four million views on this video I was not the only person who really liked his approach.



    Eben Alexander: A Neurosurgeon's Journey through the Afterlife
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    •Aug 28, 2014
     
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    That was a nice post and I agree with exception to your very last statement above. It is the brain that generates an abstract conscious mind, a type of hologram. Take away the brain and the mind (YOU) itself ceases to exist.

    You posit that it can continue to exist. Can you you identify what generates a conscious mind without a brain?
     
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    I've been studying these near death experience accounts since 1990 and they made it impossible for me to continue with The Worldwide Church of God that I had been a part of since 1973...
    The fact that near death experiences can now be induced within almost a "laboratory" setting seems to be important.

    https://www.near-death.com/psychology/triggers/extreme-gravity.html

     
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    Yes, but the first thing that is established is that the good Dr is talking about a near death experience and not an afterlife.

    The two terms are not compatible. Before death is not the same as After life!
     
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    One of the best examples that I know of this is former ATheist Howard Storm describing what it was like when he found himself in the out of the body state.

    https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html

     
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    Take a guess about what I'd like the most to hear about. Or, I can accuse you of not showing intellectual forwardness but having no more than religious sentiment.
     
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    Or... could it be that the beings who are encountered during a near death experience are so much older than us that they are using a technology to revive the actually deceased person to a quality of life that physicians of the year 2021 cannot yet accomplish with our relatively much less advanced medical technology?
     
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    Be my guest and think whatever you wish!

    If you do what I did and research this topic more you will likely find it quite fascinating...... Oh... this will probably surprise you that this was shown to a Christian.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a11

     
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    Ignorance by laziness is my fav pass time though.

    I'm really good at it.
     
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  22. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    To one degree or another...... we all are!
     
  23. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Excellent questions!!!!!!

    One of the only writers who I feel has gotten to the heart and core of this is Chaim Henry Tejman M. D.

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/fund/fund1.htm

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/fund/fund3.htm

    http://www.grandunifiedtheory.org.il/gender/g1.htm
     

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