# gas prices and obama

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sifreak21, Mar 1, 2012.

1. ### sifreak21Valued Senior Member

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a FB friend posted a pic of a note someone left on gas pump saying "you remember the inog. of obama in 2009 gas was 1.87 anyone but obama 2012" now here its 3.65

19. ### PandaemoniValued Senior Member

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I have to say, as ineffective as I think Obama has been, and as bad as his proposed budget will be for the country, he has about as much responsibility for high gas prices as he does for bad weather.

It's certainly true that he could put into place policies that would lower prices, but granting permits to exploit new oil sources would still be just a drop in the bucket in the short to medium term (say 5 years...and possibly longer...this is a huge global market, it takes huge volumes to make a dent, and global demand is expected to continue to increase over time). Price controls would be a disaster. The increase in the price of oil seems to be more tied to increases in global demand and the possibility of war with Iran. (I suspect Obama could get prices down, if we abandoned Israel politically and took war with Iran off the table, both in a credible way...though I neither know how to make those credible nor would I favor it as a policy position for independent reasons/)

There's plenty of things that one can legitimately fault the man for, gas prices just aren't one of them.

20. ### cosmictravelerBe kind to yourself always.Valued Senior Member

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Up with hydrogen!

Hats off to Honda for taking concrete steps towards environment-friendly cars. We all know, in theory, how cars of this kind can contribute a great deal to the preservation of the environment. The problem is that some sectors want nothing else but to keep status quo. Perhaps a corollary of this fact is that environment-friendly vehicles currently cost way much more than the conventional combustion engine cars.

It is thus good news that such a big name in the automotive industry seems committed to producing vehicles that are good for the environment and, hopefully, not too heavy on the pockets in the future. Japan Today gives a report on the newest hydrogen powered car from Honda:

Hondas new hydrogen-powered vehicle, set for leasing within a few months, radically reduced the sizes of its fuel cell and motor for a superclean car with the same interior space as a regular car, engineers said Tuesday.

Thatâ€™s a vast improvement from the companyâ€™s first such model introduced nearly a decade ago. The fuel cell was so bulky that the car could barely seat one personâ€”and crept along at a snailâ€™s pace.

The new FCX Clarity reaches maximum speed of 160 kilometers an hour and comfortably seats four people.

21. ### adoucetteCaca OccursValued Senior Member

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Well yes it's set for leasing in the next few months.

At $600 per month (which is about what leasing a$50,000 car costs per month).

And ONLY 200 of them over the next 3 years and then (with a few exceptions) only in Southern California.

More like, Up yours hydrogen!

22. ### TiassaLet us not launch the boat ...Staff Member

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The obvious point

Yes, because economy of scale has no relevance in your world?

23. ### spidergoatLiddle' Dick TaterValued Senior Member

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There is no such thing as an environmentally safe car.