Gay Rights

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by 1368, Feb 17, 2004.

  1. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

    I have been laughing for ten minutes. Thanks vtorxc, or whatever your name is.

    Xev. You must be grinning from ear to ear right now.
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

    I'm a woman, you shit-licking fool.

    Who are they beating?
    Were you trying to say "being beaten"? Women are subject to disproportionately more abuse because they are physically weaker than men, thus they invite exploitation. See my "femininity and schitzophrenia" thread.

    How telling that you believe in the magical daddy in the sky.

    No, it would be in a much better state.
    What's bad about the human race dying out anyway?

    It would be unintelligent only if I insulted you for your stance on the same issue I agreed with you on.

    I like your inability to handle any sort of fact - very typical of your kind - wring your hands near clean off on a subject, but avoid any sort of debate centered on "objective" fact.

    You wouldn't be laughing if you just suddenly grew a vagina and lost all your facial hair!
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  5. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Ok, that's even worse. Your degrading yourself and other females for what reason? What kind of child abuse did you go through to dramatic change your view on woman and call then all stupid whores (which would inevitably include yourself).

    No i don't see any avatar either. Is it in your profile? I don't bother wasting my time looking at other people's profile, there is really no reason.

    Yes a typo, I think I'm elligible to one every now and then. There you go, just as I said before. Woman are treated out to dinner and teated with politeness by other men because they are physically weaker then men. Im confused now, are you agreeing with me or arguing with me?

    I actually agree with you, the human race should have died out long ago...

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  7. Xev Registered Senior Member

    How typical of a sexist pig like yourself to assume that I'm male just because I express myself vigorously. What am I supposed to do, giggle and pretend to be stupid just so insecure chauvinists like you can feel validated?
    Hmm - no thanks.

    I invoke the Chris Rock defense. I may state the facts about women because I am one.

    "Child like abuse"?
    What, you mean having erasors thrown at my head?

    Who said it's a dramatic change? I observed human behaviour and formed my opinions.
    I made a generalization about women based on those observations. Now, obviously this doesn't include every single woman on the face of the planet.

    You're perpetually confused.
    Women are not "treated" to anything, and I'm still laughing over your assertion that people are more polite to women. This is because they are not as able to defend themselves. Vulnerability invites exploitation.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    Good. Now be proactive and sterilize yourself.

    Get it straight moron - agreeing with part of what you claim does not equal agreeing with the whole.
  8. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Any resonable person would believe you were a male, especially when you degrade woman like the way you did.. I am surprised that you did this, you must hold no self pride at all...

    Chris Rock is stupid and needs to use comic relief to earn a living since he obviously failed at life in many ways. Are you like this as well?

    Erasors? What are erasors?

    Yet you made it seem like it included every single woman on the face of the planet DUUUUH! Women are stupid whores.
    I said it was a dramatic change because I only hoped you weren’t born with the idea that Women are stupid whores.

    Vulnerability also invites compastion. It is typical that a man buys and treats their girl to dinner or movie or whatever activity they have planned out. Are you going to say this is wrong as well?

  9. okinrus Registered Senior Member

    First, I don't see how Xev can claim that women are not emotional in a diatribe that is obviously emotional. The fact is that we are all emotional sometimes; society tells men not to be.

    While it's data, there's no underlying proof to your cause. You have not allowed for other factors such as poverty, lack of education, drugs, music, media and cultural values, and most of the serious crimes are committed in densely populated areas where there is a greater percentage of blacks. When was the last time that you saw a black serial killer?

    It's difficult to draw any conclusion here without specifying what sort of murders they were. Many of the murders that occur nowdays are the result of drugs.
  10. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Fine, humanity is racist, sexist and just plain horrible in nature. There is nothing we can do so why don't we just digress and follow Thomas Hobbes?
  11. Xev Registered Senior Member

    Where did I claim this?

    No it's not. You're just a little pussy who thinks profanity makes language scary.

    My "cause"?

    This has what to do with the fact that blacks are more likely to attack whites than whites are to attack blacks?
    Whatever the interpretation, the fact remains.

    What, only men can harbor unorthodox views of women?
    I'm not particularly fond of men either. I despise men.
    Except when they have really dark hair and eyes, and nice hips. Or long blonde hair and a cute butt. Then they're okay.

    You are such a fucking loser.
    Look - if you're willing to sell yourself for a dinner, you are a whore.
    Most women are, therefore, most women are whores.

    Define what it is to "fail at life".

    You show a definite ineptitude with English - don't criticize my spelling or I will tear yours apart.

    No - your miniscule brain could not make the obvious conclusion that I was making a general statement.

    Tell that to any child who was abused.
    Vulnerability invites exploitation. Philanthropy is only a virtue of the powerful - who can afford it.

    "Their" girl?
    What, does he still have the deed of title? I thought slavery was outlawed in the civilized world.
    You are such a sexist twit.

    No - it's not "wrong", as I pointed out. He's trying to get laid by showing her that he can afford things, she's judging his fitness as a potential partner.

    Hateful little one, aren't you?
    However, nope. I plan on having oodles of kids. And I'm gonna read the little pukes Stirner and Kant from infancy on up.

    "Trying" would be the operative word.
  12. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Whatever, I don't care. If you believe you are perfect and your views on life is absolutely 100% valid then so be it. Bathe in your ignorance, this thread has begun to bore me.
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  14. okinrus Registered Senior Member

    I haven't seen you use profanity on this thread. But if you do, then you would have to justify why you're using it.

    Explain your opinion on whites and blacks. Are whites as a whole superior to blacks?

    It seems to me that the claim that blacks are more likely to attack whites is within respect to some circumstance. You are implying that given equal condition and environment a black man is more likely than a white man to attack. It's simply not true.
  15. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

    Who says your not entitled to your opinion? Or better yet, why is it that I don't have the right to my opinion? My opinion is that your wrong, your disrespectful, distriminitive, racist and self absorbed. My opinion is, that your way of thinking is what led to the holocaust. My opinion is, people like you is what causes racism, thinking that people have to many rights and some of those rights should be taken away. My opinion is, that you should sit back and rethink your values. Those are mine.

    so women are allowed to insult men, im allowed to complain about women insulting men, and your allowed to complain at me, which will give me the right to complain about you?, that, my friend, is called anarchy. I will admit that many people are discriminated against, but it bugs me that other people insult white males and try to take a moral high ground

    i am only against blacks gays or women when they think themselves superior to me

    If they thought of themselves as superior then why would so many of them be fighting for equality?

    where i live, there are no laws against any minority group, except maybe women get lower pay in some cases, but this is usually in jobs that require manual labour, which guys are actually better at. Maybe i should spend some time wherever you live

    i havent actually noticed that, anyone have quotes from guys magazines??

    You don't need quotes from guys magazines, just 3 minutes outsides in a fairly populated area will give you all the examples you need.

    according to your logic, guys should be allowed to insult women, but i do that quite often and dont notice much of guys shouting at women or insulting them

    you see, laws can be changed in a month, traditions, take years. If you also mean its polite for women to pay when they ask the guy out, then its ok

    Maybe you don't understand why men treat woman so politely. Other than the fact that woman have had to go through day to day hardships and fight for their rights, it is also natural that woman are more fragile than men. I apologize if this insults any females on these forums but it is obvious that men are much stronger than most woman are. A majority of the woman are quite fragile and very emotional at times, meanwhile the basic idea of masulinity is the exact opposite of how today's female (streotypically) is. This is the view on females and many men follow this view, so to be fair, they do what they must for woman and little things like buying their dinner for them is only polite, it isn't a major crisis at all. I believe many woman would buy you lunch if you could actually get one of them to go out with you. But with your views on their life and the lives of others, i wouldn't be surprised if you had a VERY hard time doing so.

    you really don't get it, women are physically weaker (being comprised of more body fat and less muscle) emotionally, guys might seem more strong, but it is only because society says that guys arent allowed to cry, that this is so. Guys are strongly engouraged to keep their emotions on the inside, poor us

    minorities dont get hassle from people

    thank you, you have put one of my main points forward very well, everyone else used to be discriminated against so much, and things had to change, yes, white males are seen as the discriminators, and are only discriminated against a small amount compared to other people, hundreds of years ago

    Are you a minority? Do you follow these monorities around daily and see exacly how they are treaded minute by minute? I dont' think you do.

    i spend all my school time in class rooms with females, gays and blacks, i dont stalk them to see what people say to them, but they seem to get insulted less from what i see

    How is this putting you main point forward? Please explain this to me. I was simply giving an example, any resonable man would tell you that these groups are still discriminated against even to this day. If your gay you may be accepted in some places but in most your are looked down as scum, same thing goes for hispanics, females, blacks, mexicans and more. These things still happen today and you seem to be living in a shell, cut off from the rest of society. You are too well protected and don't see what really happens out in the world. I still remember incidents that didn't happen to long ago, for example, a man being dragged down the street attached to a rope which was attached to the back of a van. His body parts were ripped from him by the speed at which the truck and him were going. The KKK are still active, just not as big as they used to be. A black man was shot 20 times for taking out his wallet to give police his ID. A black boy was stabbed in the neck by one of his fellow classmates. A gay teacher was murdered by one of his students. A female football kicker isn't accepted onto the football team for being female. A black man is brutally beaten in an alley way and left to die. 3 females are rapped severaly (at different times) by a trusted doctor including an 11 year old girl. It just keeps going on and on and on. Where have you been? Why haven't you heard of any of these events? Why do you still think these minorities are being teated equally?

    either these things happen in the past, in which case there is no point bringing them up, or in america, which does need to have some reforms. in and around Sydney, there are large areas where if you are white, you keep your head down and hurry to get out of their without getting mugged/raped/killed, places include Blacktown and Redfern (i know some black people would get attacked in their, but extremely few)
  16. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Alain, we aren't talking about Australia now are we? We are talking about the United States and every other place where minorities are still disriminated against. Are you going to continue to say these minorities have enough rights, meanwhile gays are trying pass a bill to allow themselves to get married?
  17. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

    Well I don't see why we shouldn't be talking about Australia. I know that this thread has been focusing largely on the state of the fight for civil rights in the United States, but the topic of the state of these issues in Australia is certainly fitting with the topic, I think. I haven't got much of an idea of the climate of laws or social outlook toward homosexuals in Australia (though I know a few gay guys in Australia) and would welcome an informed assessment. I've heard that in Victoria the age of consent for homosexual intercourse used to be higher than that for heterosexual intercourse (16 and 18 I think) but it was recently changed to 16 across the board.
  18. alain du hast mich Registered Senior Member

    in some places they have more, in some they have less, wouldnt it make sense just to eradicate that word gay from any constitution or law?
  19. Votorx Still egotistic... Valued Senior Member

    Of course it is. Gays deserve just as many rights as anyone else. Or are you still saying that homosexuals, blacks and females have to many rights?
  20. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

    Well, I'd have to agree with you there. Though in practice things would have to be done a little bit differently. Most of the time conservatives don't like saying 'gay' outright, instead they like to take their evasive "one man and one woman" or "Marriage protection" rhetoric to say that these people can have rights but everyone else (homosexuals) can't. It's sort of like saying that you're putting a limiting trade cap on wooden baseball bats, the obvious effect is to increase the sale of aluminum baseball bats, but so long as you don't say it by name somehow you feel better about yourself.
  21. pavlosmarcos It's all greek to me Registered Senior Member

    I am a hetrosexual atheist, I am sick to death of religious people and gays trying to indoctrinate me by knocking on my door, stopping me in the street,screaming there rights over the media.
    I have rights to, now all you lot are going to say "you get better rights then me"
    then what of my right to a peaceful life and my right to walk down the city streets without being accosted by someone I could go on for ever.
    what people do in there private lives is up to them, but dont shove it down other peoples thoats.
    you live your life and I'll live mine (stick to this ideology) and you wont antagonise anyone, unless you want to interfere with there basic rights.

    one question I will ask of you as it amazes me to how it happens is
    how come most men who find that they're gay suddenly adopt a effeminate voice
    and the opposite for gay women a butch voice . why ? (your still male and female).
  22. TATABox Registered Senior Member

    i think the decision lies in what you think marriage is about. I personally dont think it is just about procreation and believe that it is about sharing and commitment. The fact that 50% end it divorce doesnt stengthen any argument.
  23. DeeCee Valued Senior Member

    It's almost as if firearms were never invented.
    As for 'disproptionately'..
    You are aware that the majority of violent assaults in the US are committed against men under 25?
    Perhaps it does down your street but in my country vulnerability tends to invite protection.

    Guess that's cultural differences for you

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