Gender identity: Crazy/delusional?

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  1. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, conservatives are such a discrete, expendable group for progressive bigots to concentrate the paranoia about their sexual dysfunction (dysphoria among them). Glad we agree.

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  3. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, and the discrepancy from biological sex brain structure norms is accounted for by neuroplasticity.
    Biological males seeking to become women, but they are still attracted solely to women (straight, according to their biological sex). Are you unaware that Bruce Jenner is an example of this?

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    The point being that these transgenders do not differ from straight men in sexual attraction or genitalia.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    What "discrepancy" are you talking about? Are you hypothesizing that the brains of transgender folks are more plastic, easier to alter in fundamental ways, than the brains of straight folks?
    They're biological women, according to their brains, attracted to women - that's not "straight".
    But they do in brain structure and sexual identity.
     
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  7. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    No, and that's a complete non-sequitur from anything I've said. The discrepancy is between transgender brain structure and that of the biological sex. They never reach the norms of the biological sexes. Look it up.
    Wow! You don't even know that transgenders aren't always attracted to the opposite of their target sex. Apparently you're too uninformed to have any real input here. Just Google Bruce Jenner, for christ's sake.

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    And no, their brain structure never match those of real women. Look it up.
    Yep. And the left would have that alone let transgender women with penises who are attracted to women into women's bathrooms, locker rooms, showers, etc..
     
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  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Would that t'were so.
     
  9. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    What? What language is that?
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The brain structure is biological - you do know that, right?
    It's not possible to predict your inability to read simple English sentences, or I could maybe head off these weird mental glitches you suffer from.
    Biological women - which trans women are, according to their brains - who are attracted to other women, are not "straight" in normal vocabulary. I was just trying to clear up your vocabulary.
    They don't match those of any men - real or unreal.
    They match those of trans women.
    And the docs, etc - pretty much everyone with information. Not just "the left".
     
  11. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    And? Neuroplasticity changes brain structure.

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    Science denier. The trans women brain structures only approach those of actual women, they have XY chromosomes, and no female gonads....hence not biological women. They are biological males attracted to women...hence straight, or whatever your mental gymnastics wishes to call it....other than denying actual biological science.
    And?

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    They certainly don't match real, biological women.
    Wow. You mean academia isn't profoundly left-leaning?

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  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Shakespearean. Seemed appropriate for last words.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    No, it doesn't.
    Their brain structures approach those of women. That's biological - you have already set chromosomes aside, and in a conflict of brain structure vs gonads (in those particular trans that have one set of normal gonads) I don't see much reason to elevate gonad biology over brain biology.
    So you are arguing for a third sex? With its own bathrooms and showers and stuff? Because they are certainly not men, mentally. They look like women.
    Medicine is not in academia. But you are correct in discovering that academia is not left-leaning. That's an important step, in the US - if you don't make that discovery, you will be vulnerable to manipulators and marketers of swill your whole life.
     
  14. Capracus Registered Senior Member

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    Mr./Ms. Jenner has expressed attraction to both men and women.

    What about XX women who are attracted to women being in locker rooms? What if some of these women were surgically given penises? What if others were under the influence of narcotics and carrying firearms? What if cis women take video of other women in these settings and post it online? What if…?

    Science indicates that the brains of transgenders more resemble those of their desired sex, which would account for their identity issues. So behaviorally they’re going to be inclined to act characteristically in accordance with the desired gender. And in keeping with your neuroplasticity theme, there could very well be additional environmental conditioners to explain the variance in sexual preference. Biological science tends to support the notion that the transgender brain is in search of a compatible gender, and if society has the means to facilitate a solution for that search, then in the name of compassion we should try.
     
  15. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Look it up, science denier.
    Recent studies suggest that learning and using a second language
    (L2) can affect brain structure, including the structure of white
    matter (WM) tracts. This observation comes from research looking
    at early and older bilingual individuals who have been using both
    their first and second languages on an everyday basis for many
    years. This study investigated whether young, highly immersed
    late bilinguals would also show structural effects in the WM that
    can be attributed to everyday L2 use, irrespective of critical periods
    or the length of L2 learning. Our Tract-Based Spatial Statistics
    analysis revealed higher fractional anisotropy values for bilinguals
    vs. monolinguals in several WM tracts that have been linked to
    language processing and in a pattern closely resembling the results
    reported for older and early bilinguals. We propose that learning
    and actively using an L2 after childhood can have rapid dynamic
    effects on WM structure, which in turn may assist in preserving
    WM integrity in older age.
    - http://www.pnas.org/content/112/5/1334.full.pdf
    There is no evidence that shows those brain differences exist from birth, which is the only way to rule out experience-induced neuroplasticity.
    Superficial appearance and subjective feelings only.
    I've already said, many times, that they have always used the facilities of the sex they can pass as, without anyone giving it a second thought.
    Medicine requires years in academia, and academia is obvious left-leaning, e.g. all the protests against anything anything but leftist speakers, safe-spaces, language guidelines, etc.. Does none of that reach you in your little bubble?

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    And?
    Historically, clinicians labeled transgender people as heterosexual or homosexual relative to their sex assigned at birth. Most transgender people find this offensive, and prefer to define their sexual orientation relative to their gender identity.

    To avoid confusion and offense, the terms "gynesexual" and "androsexual" are sometimes used to describe attraction to women and men, respectively.
    ...
    Some transsexual people maintain a consistent orientation throughout their lives, in some cases remaining with the same partner through transition. In other cases, their choices in sexual partners may change after transition.
    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_sexuality
    There are lesbian trans women and gay trans men.
    Genetic men always have a physical advantage over genetic women, as illustrated recently in Texas girl's wrestling.
    Not sure what the non-sequitur about guns and drugs is about, but there's already laws against that. Cis women have taken video of other women in locker rooms, and faced criminal charges for doing so.
    Are you really advocating trans rights, or just wholly unisex facilities?
    Neuroplasticity accounts for changes to the brain caused by behavior, experience, or environment. And those similarities to desired gender have not been shown to exist from birth, as they would if they were wholly genetic.
    It's not surprising that behaving as another gender for years would approximate that gender's brain structures, due to neuroplasticity.
     
  16. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    No such person exists.
     
  17. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You do.
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Neuroplasticity is not a cause of structural changes in the brain. You are once again using big words you don't understand, and that is confusing you.
    The behavior, experience, or environment - whatever the hell you mean by that - accounts for the changes in the brain. The brain's capability to change and be changed, structurally, by such influences, is what you are calling neuroplasticity.
    http://china.usc.edu/confucius-analects-13
     
  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Where?
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You very clearly implied they aren't real (scientific).
     
  21. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Again, where?
     
  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry to cut paste and run but busy

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    What is Brain Plasticity?
    Brain plasticity—also called neuroplasticity - is an odd term for most people, with the word "plastic" causing images of Tupperware or Saran Wrap to pop into your head. However, brain plasticity is a common term used by neuroscientists, referring to the brain's ability to change at any age – for better or worse. As you would imagine, this flexibility plays an incredibly important role in our brain development (or decline) and in shaping our distinct personalities. The science of neuroplasticity and the brain is the basis of our clinically proven brain training exercises.

    How the Brain Changes
    Brain plasticity science is the study of a physical process. Gray matter can actually shrink or thicken; neural connections can be forged and refined or weakened and severed. Changes in the physical brain manifest as changes in our abilities. For example, each time we learn a new dance step, it reflects a change in our physical brains: new "wires" (neural pathways) that give instructions to our bodies on how to perform the step. Each time we forget someone's name, it also reflects brain change— "wires"that once connected to the memory have been degraded, or even severed. As these examples show, changes in the brain can result in improved skills (a new dance step) or a weakening of skills (a forgotten name).

    https://www.brainhq.com/brain-resources/brain-plasticity/what-is-brain-plasticity

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  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You said that DNA should be the sole factor which determines one's gender (for official government purposes), denying both the science of gender and the plasticity of social definitions of gender.
     
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