give your opinion... government lying about technology

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by truthseekerofthegods, May 25, 2020.

  1. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    • Please don't bring old arguments from other internet sites here, especially when the people involved are not members here.
    This doesn't address what I said about Betamax's blunder.
    Here's where we discussed this.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-spacewalk-was-faked.578673/#post-1072488086
    His position is that the physical size of the bubble increases. He doesn't say that it looks bigger as it's getting closer to the camera.

    He later changed his position.
    He changed his position because he realized he'd made a big blunder. First he said it was a piece of debris. Then he said that that the object couldn't be a bubble because a bubble's size wouldn't change that much in that short distance. He clearly meant physical size. Then, when I pointed out that a piece of debris wouldn't change in physical size, he changed his story.

    This is clear to anyone who takes the time to read the discussion. Your tactic of misrepresenting what was said is only going to work on some of the viewers who don't take the time to read the discussion.
     
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  3. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Sure it does and why do you keep lying about a blunder?

    A lie. His position is that the size of the object appears to get bigger.

    Yes he does you liar.

    No, you are lying. It has always been his position.

    Which it could be, ice or debris. His position never changed.

    Another lie. The animated gif shows it isn't a bubble, the size change is just rock solid proof it cannot be, using physics.

    Repeating because of course you always run away -

    So to summarise, you claim the flat, clearly rotating, clearly jagged, diagonal trajectory bubble coming towards the camera and not vertical is a bubble, because of reasons that you have failed to provide, meanwhile all the other objects firing out of the hatch at a whole myriad of angles don't actually help you understand how colossally dumb your claim is. Is that about right?

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    You cowardly avoided this:

    Only 3 seconds before the idiotic "fluttering" video which is being moved by his hand ridiculously fast in water, we see the flag being PUSHED edge first. In water, it is absolutely absurd to suggest that is possible in a viscous medium with drag!"

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    To add to your unbelievably dumb claim about the obvious NOT bubble we now have the 100% impossible fabric being pushed edge first in water.


    Nope, he has always maintained it was coming towards the camera.

    But it doesn't need to change physical size if it is approaching a wide angled lens!

    You teach English I understand, yet you have appalling comprehension failures.

    YOU don't read the discussion do you!?

    From July 2011 - Click HERE

    "It doesn't move "along the visor", it just follows a path in front of it. It changes size much more than an object in water would do, in a variant drop in water pressure of 2 feet. This indicates a trajectory towards the camera. "

    You see, the big problem you face when spamming the crap out of the internet and ignoring replies is that sooner or later they come back to bite you in your lying butt! 100% proof right there that you are lying and wrong. You won't ever admit it though will you. What next, more spam and evasion?
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I am not sure what's worse. Thinking that he's really that ignorant, or thinking that he's pretending to be that ignorant to get a rise out of people.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    if you ask your government to tell you the latest science they are researching...
    what will they tell you
    ?

    "here have free money & destroy the entire economy because your narcissism deserves it"
    & sell it to a foreign country, preferably one with lots of terrorists

    because ego ...

    uh huh ...

    have you tried walking into one of the USA(or Russia or China) air craft companys and demanding to know what they are working on in their secret labs ?
     
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  8. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    You confused me for a second before I realised that you were actually posting on topic. I've often wondered what the next step would be and it simply has to be advanced AI. Miniaturisation of technology continues and one day it could be used to create robotic organisms.

    Scientists create organic 'molecular computer' (newatlas.com)
     
  9. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-spacewalk-was-faked.578673/#post-1072488086
    I guess that could be interpreted to mean it was getting closer to the camera. I'm human. I make mistakes.

    Anyway, the proof that it was filmed in water is crushing.

    I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm referring to the movement at the 00:30 time mark of this video when he moves the flag from right to left.

    Chinese Space Walk - 2008


    The only identifiable force that would make the flag move like that would be its being dragged through a liquid or gaseous medium.

    There's also the anomaly of the buoyant safety cables.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-sir-questions-sir.211182/page-5#post-4767755
     
  10. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    So after all your ridiculous posturing both here and there, you grudgingly admit you are wrong about this basic, totally obvious thing. BUT, you fail to respond to the very, very significant thing it pertains to!

    Oh shutup! Bubblz that aren't bubbles that only a blind man could fail to see, bubblz that don't fly upwards and come towards a sideways facing camera? Now, why don't you carry on with this sudden streak of honesty that is as rare as rocking horse poo, and answer the following:

    • You said unequivocally that the bubble was going upwards, how is it coming towards the camera to grow in size?
    • Since you have no understanding of motion and forces in a vacuum, how are you qualified to suggest only your idiotic "flutter" force is the only one?
    • What level of denial do you have to say a flat, rotating, jagged, diagonally travelling object is a bubble?
    • How the crap in any sane world can you claim a piece of fabric is travelling edgeways on in water?
    • How can y0u possibly suggest the footage is slowed down to even remotely explain the unrestricted movement of fabric then deny it in your stupid "fluttering" clip?
    • How have you ruled out shape memory and thermal effects from the sun and vacuum for cable motion?
    • Why have you ignored sideways moving cable motion?
    Don't you play your bullshit diversion game, we are talking about that same sequence, 3 seconds earlier!

    You are as unqualified as any person could be to make such a claim. It's his wrist and anyone who fails to understand this is kind of dumb.



    Oh of course, because this makes perfect sense - design a whole scenario in water and take incredible steps to avoid the thousands of bubbles you would see, the impossible to remove shimmering of light as it passes through disturbed water, ensure the astronauts are neutral buoyancy, invent magic to make fabric swirl around in impossible ways underwater. THEN, fail to easily remove any "bubbles" and chunks of paper etc, fail to see the "incriminating" flutter and now fail to make simple cables neutral buoyancy.

    You are delusional beyond words. You won't answer any of those questions honestly.
     
  11. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    The issue I raised is the fluttering that happens at the 00:30 time mark. Maybe you didn't understand. Please address that movement.
     
  12. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Already addressed - once again you are doing your troll act. Evading difficult questions and pretending things haven't been answered!

    • You said unequivocally that the bubble was going upwards, how is it coming towards the camera to grow in size?
    • Since you have no understanding of motion and forces in a vacuum, how are you qualified to suggest only your idiotic "flutter" force is the only one?
    • What level of denial do you have to say a flat, rotating, jagged, diagonally travelling object is a bubble?
    • How the crap in any sane world can you claim a piece of fabric is travelling edgeways on in water?
    • How can y0u possibly suggest the footage is slowed down to even remotely explain the unrestricted movement of fabric then deny it in your stupid "fluttering" clip?
    • How have you ruled out shape memory and thermal effects from the sun and vacuum for cable motion?
    • Why have you ignored sideways moving cable motion?
     
  13. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    I want to concentrate on this particular anomaly until it's clearly debunked. I think it's such clear proof of fakery that it renders everything else moot.

    It's clearly not his wrist. The movement is identical to the way it would move in a medium. The wrist movement would not cause the back of the flag to move in that way.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-spacewalk-was-faked.578673/#post-1072065420

    I can't see what your video proves.
     
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  14. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    I don't give a crap what you want "to concentrate on" - nothing ever said will provide closure to somebody who is in perpetual denial. You are ridiculous and afraid to be wrong. The big list of questions makes your idiotic observation and conclusion completely moot.
    • You said unequivocally that the bubble was going upwards, how is it coming towards the camera to grow in size?
    • Since you have no understanding of motion and forces in a vacuum, how are you qualified to suggest only your idiotic "flutter" force is the only one?
    • What level of denial do you have to say a flat, rotating, jagged, diagonally travelling object is a bubble?
    • How the crap in any sane world can you claim a piece of fabric is travelling edgeways on in water?
    • How can y0u possibly suggest the footage is slowed down to even remotely explain the unrestricted movement of fabric then deny it in your stupid "fluttering" clip?
    • How have you ruled out shape memory and thermal effects from the sun and vacuum for cable motion?
    • Why have you ignored sideways moving cable motion?
    Complete bullshit, how have you determined that!! We can't even see what he is doing.

    And again - bullshit. The whole sequence is impossible in water, every single twirl of the fabric, it being pushed with no resistance, no billowing, no shimmering and even being pushed edge on. A simple shake of the wrist and voila a little transfer to the flag. So simple, but not for you, the completely unqualified layman who provides the most impossible and ridiculous of all explanations.
     
  15. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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  16. David C On planet earth Registered Senior Member

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    Post it here!! Stop posting links to other forums you've spammed on.

    • You said unequivocally that the bubble was going upwards, how is it coming towards the camera to grow in size?
    • Since you have no understanding of motion and forces in a vacuum, how are you qualified to suggest only your idiotic "flutter" force is the only one?
    • What level of denial do you have to say a flat, rotating, jagged, diagonally travelling object is a bubble?
    • How the crap in any sane world can you claim a piece of fabric is travelling edgeways on in water?
    • How can y0u possibly suggest the footage is slowed down to even remotely explain the unrestricted movement of fabric then deny it in your stupid "fluttering" clip?
    • How have you ruled out shape memory and thermal effects from the sun and vacuum for cable motion?
    • Why have you ignored sideways moving cable motion?
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    FatFreddy, stop posting links to other forums instead of posting an actual reply. You are literally advertising other forums on this one. You have been warned about this in the past. Stop doing it.
     
  18. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I met a poster on another forum who impressed me as being amazingly well informed. He replied in a personal message to one of my discussions on the Stanley Meyer hydrogen fuel dune buggy that he knew from his experience in the CIA / NSA that a particular weapons manufacturer in the USA had the original Stanley Meyer technology and had greatly advanced it since the time that Mr. Meyer was killed.


    http://www.theorionproject.org/en/hydroxy.html

     

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