Global Almond Crisis & Critical American industry

Discussion in 'World Events' started by RainbowSingularity, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Ecological Indicators
    Volume 96, Part 1, January 2019, Pages 711-717

    do you have almonds in your beauty products or breakfast cereal ?
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  3. mathman Valued Senior Member

    What is the point of your question?
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    "what is my hidden agenda?"
    "what is the product i am selling?"
    "what is the guilt trip i am selling?"
    "who is the person i am saying is bad & wrong?"

    "what is the short version" ?

    "what is the black or white argument to define an us-verses-them"

    "what is your angle?"

    are you asking me to pick one of those ?
    which one ?
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nope. How about you?
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    I have some in a chocolate bar - other than that, no idea. (I do not use or need beauty products. I'm too sexy for my shirts....)
    Anyway, a lot of California farmers have already bulldozed their almond groves because of drought.
    Now, as to the celery, lettuce, those crappy green bell peppers and wooden tomatoes - they use up a lot of water, as well, and are less nutritious than almonds. Hell, they're less nutritious than lawn-clippings! Rice, now, that's a poser. Why in the world would a water-poor state have rice paddies?
    Almonds are not a crisis. A thousand species of animals and plants go extinct every week.
    The next miracle food is not pomegranates or avocados or olives or soy beans or broccoli - they've all had their turn. Even PCB is all but passe. Whatever the advertisers go with is going to be the next crisis. I hear banana flour or tigernut.
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Dude, there's a guy in Yuma who raises catfish. Because he inherited some water rights. The water allocation system is bizarre.
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    I buy almond butter
    buy and place almonds in the coffee grinder and make my own rough almond butter

    healthier than peanut butter?
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  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Catfish swim around in it, but don't use it up: that water is still available for drinking and native vegetation. Water that's diverted to wide, shallow pools mostly just goes up. Well, but at least it's growing food, unlike all those swimming pools and courtyard fountains in LA. And they're cleaner - chlorine notwithstanding - than all that water in Alberta diverted to crud-oil production. Bizarre doesn't begin to describe the allocation of resources!
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    average consumer does
    they have almonds in their breakfast cereal as a protein (around 20% of the cereal isle has almonds in them)
    it has high bio-availability of many vital nutrients

    the average family home has many products with almond milk or almond extract in beauty/skin care products.
    almond extract is a important tool in the box for those with skin sensitivity's and the vegan market.

    almonds are a big part of the vegan market.

    almond milk is a vital part of the diet for children & adults with very serious allergies.

    almond production is a vital part of the global food chain, just like a medication would be.
    skin care is not optional for some people with certain skin conditions and can only use things like almond extract to settle skin conditions and put protein into the subcutaneous layers to help prevent skin lesions

    many people with IBS irritable bowl syndrome rely on things like almond milk in their daily diet.

    some peoples ignorance astounds me.
    maybe its a culture thing

    almond milk is an economic driver of cafes for a percentage of their business
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    And therefore..... ?
    What is it that you want from us?
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    I don't eat breakfast and I'm already as beautiful as I'm likely to get. (Possible connection?)
  15. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

    Well it just so hapins... ive recently reduced my Almond consumption by 50 %
  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    You should eat hazelnuts instead, they are more sustainable.
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    Yup, they're pretty good, too. Peanuts are, too, and cheaper. All nuts are good nuts. My bulkfood store has almonds, hazelnuts and peanuts in hoppers, ready for the butter-grinder below. Fresh hazelnut butter, without the sugar and cocoa, at half the price of Nutella.
    They also encourage reusable containers. I just keep taking back the clear plastic tubs they supply - for everything, not just wet items - since the scales already have the tare value programmed in.
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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    thats a big jump
    are you replacing it with something else ?

    the bio-activity range of gut flora to process the band of protein is likely to be out of optimization with a shift to anything else depending on what you change to.

    star bucks is going to hurt when they loose all their vegan customers because they have no almond milk

    assuming they dont drink that nasty shit soya made from burning down rain forests and killing orangutans

    im not dissing your nuts
    but ...
    almonds have way more higher value protein in them.
    given alergy development and peanut saturation in the consumer market, we are likely to see peanut allergies slowly continue to rise
    they are lethal in small children quite commonly.
    children with allergies get brain damage from lack of correct nutrients in their diet.
    adding something like cold processed almond milk would be the difference between the child being a university doctorate holder or a manual laborer/unemployed.

    i suspect a mix of Brazil nuts, cashews & macadamias possibly with some sunflower seeds in may potentially replace almonds.
    cold grind
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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

    You seem very angry over almonds.
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    propaganda ?
    thats showing your hand

    so your a political lobbyist ... sounds really democratic & consumer focused
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    So what?
    Everybody can't have the optimum of everything all the time.
    I don't have any small children, or any sized children; I didn't grow up on peanut butter and factory-food and probably don't have time to develop the allergy, even if I start binging on peanuts now - which I won't.
    You can't apply the same rules across the board.
    Everybody doesn't want the same foods. Everybody doesn't thrive on the same foods.
    Nobody needs to eat the same food all the time.
    For healthy young people, the simplest principle is: eat a variety of wholesome foods in varied combination and consistent moderation.
    My partner and I have different sets of old-age dietary issues, so that's what we work around.

    I give myself a jar of cashews as a treat once in while - I sure won't adulterate them with sunflower seeds - but they are good in many foods. I used to make a mean pesto of sunflower & pumpkin seeds, garlic and parsley.

    PS - I find myself troubled hardly at all by the potential fate of Starbucks
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    think of a global picture
    low cost access for low income elderly and working class to protein (elderly, (Adult & child)allergies, Vegans, Vegetarians)
    African Swine Flu
    Global Protein deficit
    Almond collapse
    (Trade War)[black market pork imports/exports]

    The picture is being painted
    it is just that the brush strokes are too big & detailed for the average person to comprehend the picture.

    the usa should be rallying behind the almond growers as a national food security primary issue.

    unbelievably poor over sight by those being paid millions to do that very job

    the food security impact on not only the usa but many other markets is going to be considerable.

    imagine all those fat unhealthy meat eaters having to resort to eating all the high quality vegetarian and vegan foods to shit it all out and get little benefit, so they must eat more and more
    as the massive increase to waste ratio skyrockets in the remaining high yield protein groups.

    it is a disaster just sitting on the brink waiting to happen
    all it needs is a tiny nudge or two.
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Yes, it's all a vast political almond conspiracy.
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