God as One

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Fork, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    To me accuracy is confirmed by the Lord with signs and wonders following. How can you say what is accurate or inaccurate from an atheistic point of view? To think that 30 people that had been diagnosed with HIV now are proven clear does seem to be remarkable.
     
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  3. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    There are a lot of 'faith healers' who are charlatans, out to profit from ''the Lord.'' I noticed your CM thread, and that man you mention...he calls himself a prophet? Oh my. The definition of a prophet is someone who claims to have been spoken to by God...someone who acts as an intermediary on behalf of God. This causes derision, and competition. Oh yes...that doctor is better than the rest of us...God 'revealed' himself to him, and no other.

    I have no desire to talk you out of your beliefs, but don't be naïve to think that everyone who speaks about God, is interested in God. Many self interested charlatans out there.

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  5. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    That is why I am asking these questions about him. He is pretty hopeless on some issues. So were those tests inaccurate? I'll keep looking into it.
     
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  7. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That’s the point though I’m trying to make…if those people were healed, it had nothing to do with that guy. A guy who by all accounts, looks like he is making money off of his ‘’prophecies.’’ This isn’t a new things for me…I have never paid much attention to these charlatans, pretending to act on behalf of God. When I see them drawing large crowds, gaining ‘fame,’ and collecting ‘donations,’ based off their ‘healings and prophecies,’ I just tune out. ‘’You will know them by their fruit,’’ Jesus said.

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  8. Fork Banned Banned

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    Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU)

    Langan describes the CTMU as a metatheory or a theory about how theories are made in general. The subjects he covers belong to the fields of epistemology and meta-mathematics. The main concept in the CTMU is "telic recursion" which differs from standard Markovian recursion in which the next state is only determined by the current one, but that the next state is also determined by the path it took to get to that state as well as the rest of space and time, so the state-transitional syntax of every part is ultimately determined by the "syntactic unisect" of the whole, which he identifies with "teleology", the relationship between the logic of the parts and the whole with "hology" and the theological or metaphysical system this implies as "holotheism".
    “”"In fact, the CTMU can be characterized as a THEORY of how the mind DEFINES and IS DEFINED by the universe."
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    “”"Scientific theories are mental constructs that have objective reality as their content. According to the scientific method, science puts objective content first, letting theories be determined by observation. But the phrase "a theory of reality" contains two key nouns, theory and reality, and science is really about both. Because all theories have certain necessary logical properties that are abstract and mathematical, and therefore independent of observation - it is these very properties that let us recognize and understand our world in conceptual terms - we could just as well start with these properties and see what they might tell us about objective reality. Just as scientific observation makes demands on theories, the logic of theories makes demands on scientific observation, and these demands tell us in a general way what we may observe about the universe.
    In other words, a comprehensive theory of reality is not just about observation, but about theories and their logical requirements. Since theories are mental constructs, and mental means "of the mind", this can be rephrased as follows: mind and reality are linked in mutual dependence at the most basic level of understanding. This linkage of mind and reality is what a TOE (Theory of Everything) is really about. The CTMU is such a theory; instead of being a mathematical description of specific observations (like all established scientific theories), it is a "metatheory" about the general relationship between theories and observations…i.e., about science or knowledge itself. Thus, it can credibly lay claim to the title of TOE.
    Mind and reality - the abstract and the concrete, the subjective and the objective, the internal and the external - are linked together in a certain way, and this linkage is the real substance of "reality theory". Just as scientific observation determines theories, the logical requirements of theories to some extent determine scientific observation. Since reality always has the ability to surprise us, the task of scientific observation can never be completed with absolute certainty, and this means that a comprehensive theory of reality cannot be based on scientific observation alone. Instead, it must be based on the process of making scientific observations in general, and this process is based on the relationship of mind and reality. So the CTMU is essentially a theory of the relationship between mind and reality."

    Taken from http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan#Cognitive-Theoretic_Model_of_the_Universe_.28CTMU.29


    Absolute truth is real.
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    That is baloney. All theories are based on observations and have little to do with some relationship between mind and reality.
     
  10. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Whereas with me I have no followers and no money or fame and they level the same criticism at me. ‘’You will know them by their fruit,’’ they say to me, and because I haven't got the numbers I fail too.
    I think that line just about cuts everyone down.

    Who in the world today is someone with really good fruit - Nelson Mandela, Barack Obama, Team NZ later today with a bit of luck.
     
  11. Fork Banned Banned

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    They do actually.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Then, explain it?
     
  13. Fork Banned Banned

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    Mind must interpret or create a mental construct or theory via perception or observation of reality. That mental construct or theory has a degree of accuracy to which it creates that construct or theory. See the following:

    Since reality always has the ability to surprise us, the task of scientific observation can never be completed with absolute certainty, and this means that a comprehensive theory of reality cannot be based on scientific observation alone. Instead, it must be based on the process of making scientific observations in general, and this process is based on the relationship of mind and reality. So the CTMU is essentially a theory of the relationship between mind and reality.
     
  14. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, I read that, it's baloney. Observations and experimental results do not changed one iota due to any kind of process between the observation and the mind.
     
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    Then how do you explain the phenomenon of wave-particle duality which contradicts your assertion?
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Please explain how the duality of light contradicts what I said?
     
  17. Fork Banned Banned

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    You said that it has nothing to do with any relationship between mind and reality but it does! Mind can affect reality at certain levels and certain degrees as demonstrated by wave-particle duality.
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, but you have not explained or shown in any way how the mind can affect reality. You're just spouting unfounded nonsense.
     
  19. Fork Banned Banned

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    It can. It's really simple. It relates it to itself.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, right.

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  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    There is no evidence of that.
     

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