God is a preference

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by Seattle, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Humpty Dumpty:-

    'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

    I'm trying to head off those who want to argue definitions.

    Poe:-

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    <<<< This is Poe.

    He has become the icon used to indicate something like 'I know I am treating you like a idiot but I am doing it nicely. No hard feelings?'

    Poe is not my invention but comes from a real Mr Poe.
     
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  3. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    The one who doesn't fight knows pleasure, and is a sign of omnipotency.

    Later on you find Omniscience had been passive the entire time.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    You can't be certain that there is a God through the mind and that is what you are claiming. Intelligence seems to have nothing to do with it. In fact, there may even be an inverse relationship.


    That's what I said but you can't be certain that God is unknowable to me just as you can't be certain that there is a God. You aren't consistent with the way you use "know".

    I "know" who Santa Claus is. I can't be certain that there is a Santa Claus. However, using my mind I could have a relationship with the characteristics that I perceive as Santa Claus. I could try to be a giving person but there is no way for me to be certain that Santa exists.

    There is no way for you to be certain that God exists either. You don't possess powers unavailable to every other human. Your claims, for the most part, are greater than just about every religious figure. Most people who have faith that there is a God and in God will tell you that they aren't and can't be certain that there is a God. You beg to differ.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Why can't you be certain that there is a God, through your mind?
    I know you don't like questions. But hey, you shouldn't make claims if you're not prepared to back them.

    What is it about God, that makes you think I can't be certain that God exists?

    Knowledge: Knowledge is a familiarity, awareness or understanding of someone or something, such as facts, information, descriptions, or skills, which is acquired through experience or education by perceiving, discovering, or learning
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    If you know who ''Santa Clause'' is, then it follows that there is certainly a Santa Clause.

    Too late. You already have a relationship with Santa Clause, albeit a very distant one.

    Speak for yourself, not for me.

    Why?

    Let them speak for themselves.

    jan.
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The problem isn't with the mind. It's with the lack of evidence. Just imagining something isn't evidence.


    I don't know who Santa Clause is but I am familiar with Santa Claus and now I've learned from you that Santa Claus must be real. I think we've now learned that God is real to you only because you imagine God to be real.
     
  9. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know who you are, but I'm familiar with Seattle, the human being who posts in SciForums.
    When you say 'Santa Clause' who do you mean?
    To me, Santa Clause is real as a fictional character.

    jan.
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Is Clause the spelling in the location where you reside? I've never seen it spelled other than Claus.

    Is God real to you in the same sense (as a fictional character). If not, how would one distinguish between the two since there is no real evidence for either. Is imagination enough to proclaim God to be more than a fictional character?
     
  11. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't really taken much notice. You could be right.

    No, not in the same sense. But I can understand why God may come across as fictional to you.

    What evidence would really convince you that God exists?
    I have to ask because evidence or lack of seems to be your reason for atheism.

    jan.
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    It's the same reason that you lack belief in ghosts. Can you tell me what evidence would really convince you that ghosts exist?

    Even if I come up with some improbable scenario it can't be what you consider evidence for yourself. Anything I could come up with you would say that's impossible as God is outside of nature.

    The fact of the matter is that anyone who feels that they have evidence of God is using "evidence" that I wouldn't consider "evidence".

    For some it seems to be something that is beyond coincidence to them but that's generally because they don't understand probabilities for example. It's a lack of imagination in one sense to not be able to come up with a more probable explanation for something they don't know than "God did it".

    Asking me that question is like asking what would it take for you to believe in invisible green cookie monsters. Where does one begin to come up with what it would take to believe that?
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What evidence can you provide?

    If you have more than one type, list say 10 and please allow me to pick one for you to expand on.

    Thanks.

    Mr H D
     
  14. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I feel a "when I look out the window how could it be otherwise" coming on...
     
  15. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    You are trying to shift the burden of proof. There will be more plausible naturalistic explanations for any supernatural phenomenon. The primary one being, I've gone insane. Then, we've all gone insane. Then, an advanced species of aliens did it with technology.
     
  16. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe Jan actually believes in God. He likes to argue. Very few people who "believe" in God are certain of God's existence. Being certain is delusional.

    Maybe he does believe in God.
     
  17. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Humpty Dumpty - Poe ????

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    Hope I got it right.

    Jan.
     
  18. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    No I'm not. I just want to know what is meant by no evidence. I'm not the one who believes the universe popped into existence out of nothing, so don't talk to me about shifting the burden of proof.

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  19. Jan Ardena Valued Senior Member

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    Are you certain about that?

    Maybe you deny God.

    Jan.
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Are you certain about that?
     
  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes tis, if 'hope I got it right' is a question of who posted.

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    ' is number one on your list of evidence where are the other nine please?

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  22. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Religion often isn't about God at all, rather it stems from a person's own ego. So, these topics tend to blur the two together, the original author of threads like these, thinking that religion and God are interchangeable, which isn't an accurate depiction. So it goes though, and that original author will come away feeling like they've ''won'' an argument with someone who doesn't believe in what they do, but the parameters of the discussion are usually off balance. God could be my preference, but not everyone's definition of God will be the same. From pantheism to Indian meditation, God can be described in a myriad of ways and I see far greater beauty in trying to see where someone is coming from, than in proving I'm right about where I'm coming from.
     
  23. Newbiephilosopher Registered Member

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    I believe humans are the central actors in this battle between good and evil, not the gods and we have been telling ourselves horrible stories of punishment for the disbelievers since writing began. Religion has scared the shit out of humanity with this stuff to the point that a countless number of people have been cruelly slaughtered in the name of an all seeing, all loving God. So why don't I give up with the idea of God? Because so many simple, honest, hard working people believe they have had a personal experience with God; I'd like to believe them. Yet the world continues along the same path as it always has, believing in a supernatural battle that God is going to bring to save humanity and thereby the world. There must be a better way. I thought the idea of karma/holy spirit worth saving as a reward for good moral behavior, a blessing from God but the rest of religion is fanatical, a disease within humanity and should go. Life is something else!
     

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