God is a preference

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  1. river Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm... understand

    But a system of good capitalism , is not only good and possible but allows individual freedom and destiny .
     
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  3. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Religion is a perception.

    You realize that you and I exist because of faith/idea?

    Imagine a world where your dad and your mom did not decide to have a child, you would not exist in this world than. Just an idea has given rise to you.

    Do you not see God as the same way? An idea powerful enough to create God. You say there is no proof of God, but proof of a baby being born, but what if we were not conscious enough to know the truth?
     
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  5. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    It is a commodity, obviously. People trade in currencies all the time...there's a market. I can't think of much that can't be sold. If you want to avoid it then the barter system would be the best way, and some do trade services for commodities.

    Who is "Poe"?
     
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  7. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Is there any other economic system that allows for that possibility?
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Tidy up the train of thought or logic or whatever your post is trying to convey and I'll answer.
     
  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Poe's law is an Internet adage that states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views.

    Poe likes his law causes Humpty Dumpty ain't got one.

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  10. river Valued Senior Member

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    Not that I know of .
     
  11. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    Well the logic is simple. You refusing concept of God is like you refusing the concept of you existing.
     
  12. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Might depend on the person's concept of God. Might be they simply reject the standard version.
     
  13. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't know what your post and/or answer is but it ain't logic.

    Or as Robbie puts it 'It does not compute'.

    Humpty Dumpty hopes he is not in danger

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  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Granted religion is perceived, in many ways and forms.

    One way I perceive religion is as a con.

    I'm pretty sure there was some action taking place.

    Not sure if idea is a requirement.

    Pretty sure the action is needed.

    No.

    A powerful idea to create the idea of god.

    Not sure I said that in this thread but I'll own it.

    If you know of proof please share.

    Robbie 'does not compute'
     
  15. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Would you consider it an alternative to your perception? Maybe they perceive your take on reality the same. Just saying.
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What?

    Who?

    Just said.

    Poe

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  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Jan regularly confuses faith with knowledge.

    Faith is believing in something in the absence of good evidence. Another definition, somewhat nastier but instructive nonetheless, is that faith is pretending to know stuff you don't know.

    Jan is good at faith.
     
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  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I do that sometimes.

    I call it lying.

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    Not good at faith but good at......

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  19. spidergoat Speak of the Devil Valued Senior Member

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    Lots of people have been born even though their mom and dad did not decide to have a child. God is merely an idea, not a reality. You can speculate what if, but that's not evidence, it's just speculation.
     
  20. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    So?

    Money, like other inventions, has continued to develop to meet other needs. Originally money was primarily used to trade with large armies. Most trade, for most people, was done through an honors system (not really barter per say). However, when large armies came, people used money. They left, you still had the gold and and silver.

    Anyway, how and why money developed isn't necessarily important to the question of interest. In a free market, money and its use is decided freely. Moneys come into existence, compete and exist, or don't - all based on subjective value. Which is sort of like a religion. You own your money. You don't own it's value. You can do anything you wish with it - as long as others agree to trade with you. If not, it's nothing more than any other abstract belief. You may buy something, invest in something, give it away, or lend it, etc...

    In a normally functioning economy, when there is a lot of money, the price of items goes up because there's a lot of money and a limited supply of stuff. You can lend the money to a bank (who will pay you for it's use, aka: interest). When the bank has little money (limited supply), then it has to offer higher interest (pay for limited money). When the bank has a lot of money, it will offer lower interest (or is not interested, thus zero). No different than when blueberries come into season.

    When you agree to give your money to a bank, you agree that you may lose it all (which allowed for the invention of insurance - another great product). You are now risking the possibly of future consumption and the interest needed to offset that risk will either be freely agreed to by you, or you won't lend it to a bank. Suppose the price of cotton is sky high. This signals that there is a limited supply relative to demand. Farmers need your money. They could go to you, but why do that when they can more easily go to a bank? You CAN lend your money. No one is telling you, you cannot. But banks do it better. So people prefer to use them instead and freely choose to do so.

    That aside, we do not use money. We use fiat currency. Not only that, but we sell T-bonds on the labor of unborn Nation State citizens and force them to repay - even though they had no say in their Nation of Birth, how the debt was spent/wasted, and face life in prison if they refuse to repay their grandparents largess and transgressions. We can thank the Progressive Socialists of the late 1800s for giving us the Central Bank, it's fiat currency, and our income tax: all of which now dominates our economy and dictates our way of lives.

    Those T Bonds? European Socialists are willing to do more than just sell obligations on the next few generations of Nation State citizens (stealing their future prosperity), their 'Leaders' are more than happy to destroy their societies themselves (through the immigration of tax payers) in order to repay these Central Banks their fiat currency and continue to meet these obligations. This would never happen in a free market using money - such currencies, would have ceased to exist, along with their obligations, decades ago. Lucky for Central Banks, they have police states, immoral populations wanting free-shit (gim-me-dats / progressive voters), 12 years of government 'education' and large militaries willing to steal other people's shit, to help enforce repayment of those obligations.


    Fiat currency is the real con.
     
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  21. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    No.
     
  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure how we got from god is a preference to post about money but....

    So you don't design a car and use it as a boat.

    Yes you do.

    Money is/was a means to flatten out a person's worth.

    In business (just as an example) equal pay for equal work. It doesn't happen but the bedrock idea is sound.

    Those who draw the equal pay yes are free to spend as they wish.

    If they buy money, lender - interest - borrower - dynamic, money losses its purpose to flatten out people's worth.

    The lender is being paid more for his labours, interest received.

    The borrower is being paid less for his labours, interest paid.

    I'm guessing fiat money is same as business payroll money but bigger in scale.

    Better get back to god before get kicked out.

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  23. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Why? It's up to the free market to decide if a car should be a boat. That's the whole point.

    As for God and money, they're similar in the sense that they're both subjective abstractions. People put a lot of faith in both. Church of the Central Bank, with High Priestess Yellen

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    Not in a free market. Value is subjective. Money is a visualization of that subjective experience, but it's not the same as the experience.

    Wavelengths of light exist, color on the other hand is an experience.

    You cannot know what blue is like for me. We can use something to communicate this (a color), but it's not the same as the experience. The word for color is therefor quite abstract, even if we have come to forget it is. It is.

    Money is like God in that way. An abstraction.
    Okay, though I do not agree or disagree with the value or point of money. So long as free people interact voluntarily, then who am I to say what should be, or what ought to be, or what is?


    As for the God con. I still maintain, that the benefit that religion brings to society is a service: that of civilization for groups of humans with average IQs lower than the optimum (an unknown).

    Also, you're framing all religion as if it were monotheistic. Buddhism (I'm typing this from within a Buddhist Temple incidentally) is not the same belief system as Christianity. Though I do not believe in reincarnation, I do believe in social cohesion and I do not believe there is good evidence of Atheism providing this - and the alternative, Nationalism, is probably worse than religion, and is equally abstract. Nation States are just geopolitical mental constructs and national identity is little different than religious identity. Replace Christendom with the USA, Christian with American, the Pope with POTUS, and Bishops with Senators, and they're literally carbon copies.
     
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