God is defined, not described.

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  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How so?

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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Ok.

    No.

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  5. Thomas Cranmer Registered Member

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    That sounds like nonsense to me.
    Similarly "A joker says in his liver, there is a Spiderman" is also nonsense.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    With due respect for your philosophical generosity, IMO, this example cannot be used, even for purpose of discussion.
    If I say, "I am an afairyist", does that have an implication that fairies do exist?

    OTOH, if I say I am not religious, it does imply that religions do exist. But belief if a god is not a practice, it is a statement of existence of a super-natural being who can perform all kinds of "magical tricks", just like fairies..

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    I am proud to say I am an atheist. As Dave says, it is an entirely "rational" term.

    If the existence of one God could be true, then the existence of all Gods could be true, but then it becomes a kind of a selective thing doesn't it?

    As Carlin so clearly demonstrated in this exchange of Q and A.

    Q: do you believe in God?
    A: no
    Q: poof =-----------> you're dead.

    Q: do you believe in God?
    A: yes
    Q: do you believe in my God?
    A: no
    Q: Poof =----------> you're dead.

    Q: my God has a bigger (gun) than your God.
     
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  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    Spoken like a true con artist.

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  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    If you don't listen and respond to the entire question, which comes complete with conditions, and only respond to the first part, then your answer is as useful as saying "yes" to the question "do you believe the earth rotates around the sun, a flat disk of fire in the sky?"
    Then let me rephrase:
    what word would you use to describe someone who doesn't hold the belief that God exists/Is, but a word which is not defined in a way that includes the implication that God exists/Is?
    It very much is, through the definition you are insisting upon but which, for the purposes of this snippet, I am running with.
    It's really quite simple, Jan: I am looking for you to provide a word that describes people who don't believe that God exists but is also a word that does not come loaded with the implication that God exists.
    We have agreed, for the this snippet, that "atheist" is not such a word. So please can you provide one?
     
  10. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    This stems from Jan's insistence, across at least two threads now, that "atheism" is defined as "without God", with "without" only being able to be used if that thing actually exists. So if "afairyist" was defined as someone who is "without fairies" then this would imply that fairies exist - per the definition that Jan is trying to insist upon for "atheism".

    However, atheists self-identify with the meaning of "atheism" that is simply "does not hold the belief that God (or gods) exists" with no implication therein that God does exist.

    So I am trying to get Jan to propose a term that equates to the way that atheists self-identify, given that he is refusing to listen to what atheist say and instead applies the choice of definition he wants to their label.
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    And, again, IF Jan is without fairies, fairies must exist.

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  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There is that to consider.............
    Hmmm, if they all look like the pic above, I could live with that.....

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  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Sarkus

    ''Antitheist''

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  15. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    No, that does not fit.

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  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why?

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  17. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    An antitheist is someone who is against religion even for other people. That fits some nonbelievers yet some nonbelievers are much more tolerant of religion.
    I pointed that out in the thread that was closed. Do you not remember?

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  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Here are a few dic-defs...


    also anti-theist, "one opposed to belief in the existence of a god," 1813;see anti- + theist. Related: Antitheistic.

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines antitheist as "One opposed to belief in the existence of a god".

    Actively opposes a belief in gods of any sort and to institutions built around belief in a deity.

    Antitheism, also known pejoratively as "militant atheism" (despite having nothing to do with militancy

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    ) is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable.

    a person opposed to belief in god or gods

    Opposed to belief in the existence of a god or gods.
    ‘I'm not so much atheist as antitheist

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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism

    Personally I don't give a hoot if you are a theist. Just don't come knocking on my door and tell me you came to save me, by bringing God into my life. I'll immediately turn to this little YouTube clip by George Carlin and invite them to come watch which me.
     
  20. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    "Anti-theist" was coined mid 19th century to describe those who consider religion dangerous and harmful. This is thus not a necessity of those who simply do not have the belief the God exists/Is. Thus it is not an apropriate label. Furthermore it could well describe people who believe in God but consider organised religion dangerous and harmful. Therefore hardly a label that encapsulates "does not hold belief that God(/s) exist".

    Care to try again, Jan?
     
  21. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    So if you knew all this, why did you post it as a suggested label for those who simply do not have the belief that God exists while not implying in any way that God does exist?

    If you know the answer you're about to give is wrong, why give it?
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Did you not see the definitions I posted?

    How can a theist be opposed to God?

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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I bet you like that term Militant (despite having nothing to do with militancy
    I like this much better. It's shorter.
     

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