Good Bye, Lightgigantic.

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    In any case... an accusaton is made... an guilt or innocense is determined by the facts.!!!

    After readin this...

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...olling-Lying&p=3163355&viewfull=1#post3163355

    ...do you thank LG deserved a perma-ban.???
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I do, again not based just off of what was said, but when, why, and how it was said, as well as his past track record. He was intentionally inflammatory for the sake of being an ass, not because he was actually passionate about the topic. If he were truly passionate, he would not have felt a need for directed insults and other such fallacious behavior.
     
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  5. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Was the accused allowed even to speak in his defence at this trial?
    A trial in which one person took four roles: victim, prosecutor, jurist , and a judge deciding sentence.
     
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  7. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    Arguments were made in his defense.
     
  8. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, he could be an arse. Obnoxious at times.
    The trouble is, that you will get a hundred generous souls with nothing new to say for every one LG.
    If you want to build a good forum you need more people like him , not less.
    He once said something to me which was far worse than what he said to Bells.

    People with good minds are not always congenial.
    "There is no arguing with Johnson," said Goldsmith, "For when his pistol misfires he knocks you down with the butt end of it."
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, this is supposed to be a science forum...
     
  10. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    OK... Guess I'll add my 2 cents, after having read this post. I have never personally cared much for LG' s posts. He always struck me as self serving, and arrogant. But, I do see Cap's point here. He definitely, and intentionally, tried to get to Bells though. Sexual harrasment ? I don't really know about that. A troll? IMHO, yes. Do I agree he needs to pay the piper for his recent behavior? Yes, he crossed the line. He purposely pecked at Bells. He likes to get a reaction . But, in all honesty, to permaban him kinda sets an unsettling precedent. I think he needs a little holiday time, but,not a permanent one. At least not yet. Just my take...
     
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  11. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    On the specific accusation of sesual harrassment... do you thank LG deserved a perma-ban.???
     
  12. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    If that's directed at me... No, not on that specific accusation.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    For that offense alone? No, if that had been his only offense, I would have voted for a 7 day temp ban to give him time to chill his heels
     
  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, I remember I told you to F' Off on TheScienceForum for deliberate BS in implying that I thought animal cruelty was humorous.

    Why don't you take your 'thank' and leave.
     
  15. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Now now Beer, no need to get snarky.
     
  16. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Let him answer.
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Come on!

    I'm sure I saw I response. Don't tell me your scared -you can always act stupid!

    Coward.
     
  18. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Did moderators actually argue that his post was sexually harassing in nature? I'd love to see that thread. WOW.

    It wasn't a sexual advance, it wasn't even sexual in nature. It was a metaphorical blowjob. Just like when you say you stabbed someone in the back, you're not accusing them of attempted murder. Bells had no reason to feel harassed, considering she was actively involved in the "discussion" and more willing than anyone else in the thread to be condescending, insulting, and rude. LG had no power over her, so there was no threat, and never implied that he had any intent of threatening her.

    Sexual harassment isn't "how a comment is perceived." There are objective standards, and LG's comment met none of them.

    Now, if you want to say you guys were fed up with his whole act and it was time for him to go, then what you should have done was reinstated him and waited for him to fuck up for real. A real transgression, weighted with his history of trollish behavior, resulting in a permaban probably would have been accepted by most of the people now complaining about it. All you've done instead is reinforce every bad feeling we've had about your clown school, and vindicate your two largest troublemakers--Tiassa and Bells, both of whom are far more vitriolic, insulting, and disruptive than LG ever was.

    Also, keep in mind that while you all are moderators, this site is about the community. We, as a community, did not appreciate or agree with the ban. That should have been taken into consideration. Arguably, that should have been your first consideration. You're not kings. You're supposed to make this site better, not treat it like a virtual fiefdom.
     
  19. Ripley Valued Senior Member

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    Precisely.

    But Bells made a good job of explicitly illustrating herself giving head. That's what was offensive to me.

    Oh come on. The real forum is the moderators' forum—the rest here is their whorehouse.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Definitely. I was banned for a few days by James R because I was joking with Captain Kremmen over the issue. James R called it "posting Violent, Abusive or Pornographic Content" and referred to it as sexual harassment.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    This and That

    Brief Notes

    I should note that one of the sources of acrimony among the staff in this latest dispute was the determined focus on the blowjob bit. Given that the process of sorting out everything going on in the personhood thread never even got to the blowjob question before it was interrupted, I admit that I find this continued focus on the point somewhat amusing for its demonstration of people's absolute determination toward futile arguments and actions.

    You should take comfort, though; you are not alone. There was, indeed, an argument among the moderators that involved the functional assertion that LG's ban was inappropriate because another thing he might have said didn't rise to the standard of sexual harassment. (And if you ever have a specific need to feel nauseous, sit back and watch a man explain to a woman why she's just being silly for feeling sexually harassed. I must admit, watching the Administration tell a woman what women are supposed to think is a shocking transition; in the abstract, it's funny, but it's rather quite sickening when it actually happens.)

    • • •​

    The Administration, in the course of this inquisition inquiry, has invoked a circumstance where any sympathetic consideration toward your point would be held against a moderator. To wit, there were recently complaints about Enmos' action against Trooper and Trapped. Was a time when, perhaps, another moderator might analyze the accusation and defense, and then challenge the action, but the Administration has chosen to hold that discretion against the moderation staff as demonstrative of error.

    Your defense doesn't matter. The Administration created a situation in which the comments in question must be acted against. Any sympathetic assessment of collegially-intended humor is now a specific detriment to a moderator's standing.

    This is what the Administration wants. To the other, at least the Administration is following through.
     
  22. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    We all have our ego, and I think all our actions are coming from it, whether to go to heaven or to have our names saved in history or to matter a lot to the people around us, it eventually pours down to our ego.
    You say it's undeserved, I say it is.


    :shrug:

    The masses are on your side. a big quantity of low and medium quality posts from your POV are given, you can afford to chip in with high quality posts when the chance comes.
    in other words, the obvious stuff you think should be said is said by other people because there's a big supply of them, hence you can focus better on your few posts and their consistency.
    when you're from the other side, low and medium quality posts are banned quickly, and so their counterparts from the other side sweep the place, with only the few high quality posters to reply to the low, medium and high quality posters of the mainstream. such debates are unfair and unbalanced, if you wanna hold your ground in such fight you can't be too sincere and consistent.

    see above, when overrun with BS you can't afford to keep choosing your words carefully and researching every post you make.
    you're bound to make mistakes and maybe not live up to the high level of your best opponents, but you do a decent cleanup job.

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    mods are humans not above prejudice and pride, and affect the positions of each other as a social group.

    Everything else put aside, "knowledgeable in his field" in religion is super damn rare in sciforums. See if that other buddhist who influenced you in your life is willing to come here and contribute 16,330 posts to diversify and share his influence on this board. Tell him I'm willing to stroke his ego if he does.

    But also tell him he might get banned some years later for thinking he has the right to disagree in a fashion similar to everyone else.



    In this specific thread.
    In this thread if I were in your place (i.e A bothersome member has been banned just like that for being a pain), I would be more inclined to just let it go.

    but in general, and now more so that LG is banned, I read posts, disagree with them in my head, and move along.
    unless I really expect to learn or get anywhere by voicing my disagreement, then I just don't bother, from my perspective sciforums is chock full of wrong people...
    initially was not going to reply because of this, didn't want to give you an itch when you decided not to scratch. but then i thought the decision not to scratch would be meaningless without an itch, so i gave you an itch

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    and apparently you've no experience with said "paths".
     
  23. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    And I'm still smiling, this has made my day.

    the verdict has been passed prior to the vote.

    Hear hear!

    So weak man, and same with what followed

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    :roflmao:
    Hohohoho...
    So basically, LG owned a/the mod(s), I've never read the incident in which the whole episode happened and never planned to, just seeing "sexual harassment" as an accusation to LG told me enough.
    so moral of the story, don't win with the mods.
    This also kinda explains why it said Tiassa was the one who did it, which was hard to believe for me, I was convinced it must've been one of James's impulses. But then again I've never seen Tiessa lose so if this was the first, then maybe..

    But damn, what a way to go, I was sad about how after all these years of skillfully and carefully skirting the edge he gets hacked like this, but after reading Yazata's summary, then my, was he a badass, he finally took off the handicap and uncoiled and stung where it hurt, lol and boy how much it must've hurt, I'm sure he went out happy, I've always said if you're gonna go, go with a bang, and he sure did.

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    I mean, for those who're not very familiar with the the hardships here, such snarky comments or hurtful get-backs are not uncommon or unprecedented, but what's really exciting to me now is that he did it big time on those who, i think, are the untouchables here.

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    Usually just one of these posters would give you a hard time if you debated against, he had them all grouped up and took'em in turns.
    lol, I've been smiling for some 5 mins now, it's just so nice

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    you can't know one's intention, period.
    he was being inflammatory to, and was and has been an ass to, he simply tired of being the better "passionate" person and swooped down to their level once..
    ..oops, not allowed.
    never, ever, allowed.
     
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