Good Bye, Lightgigantic.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    If someone essentially targets you specifically for your sex and tells you that when you reply, you are essentially giving someone a blowjob by just responding, you don't see that as sexual harassment? There were about 3-4 people against him (and EF in that thread) and all were making the same argument that I was. Yet, as the only woman writing any responses in that thread (as a deference to Wynn who declared her reading it was her participation) at that particular time, I was the only one targeted with that comment, as a direct response to my making it clear that it was out of line and offensive. Randwolf, Tiassa and Iceaura were never targeted for such comments. When you tell the sole woman talking in a room full of guys that her merely talking was akin to giving them all a blowjob (after she makes it clear that it was not acceptable), you don't think that is sexual harassment? I'll put it this way, next time you are in a meeting at work, tell one of the women in there what LG said to me. See what happens as a result. After all, you don't think it's sexual harassment, so it should be fine, right?




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    You seem to be of the belief that this ban was by angry or vengeful moderators. If we were as you describe us, then LG and half the members posting here would have been banned years ago. No, literally, if we were as you describe us, then few people would be posting here. The reason LG got away with so much of it was because he stayed in the religion forum for the majority of the time, where few staff ventured after the moderator for it left. So he had years to behave as he did. When he did venture out of the religion forum, it was to abuse and offend others. The other reason he was rarely moderated was because he was simply disliked by so many, that we all felt moderating him in any way could and would result in accusations of bias. He knew this. In reality, had we moderated him properly, he would not have been here to call one female member a "two faced whore", nor would he have been around to double down and defend his offensive remark to that member, nor would he have been here to start a thread lamenting and whining that women no longer knew their place in society and in that same thread, told a then female member of staff that she should go and watch porn to avoid answering her questions. And this is just scratching at the surface.

    If we were vengeful or spiteful, he'd have been gone long before any of that happened.

    Alas, due to the general desire to not moderate Religion, a lot of what he said and did went unnoticed and left as it was, because we did not want to portray ourselves of acting out of our own self interest and bias by moderating someone who was generally disliked by the majority and only liked by the very few. There was also the simple fact that LG represented the extreme other side to most discussions he took part in. Banning him or even moderating him would have resulted in accusations of trying to shut down the opposition and those who don't 'think like us'. Had this been any other forum, LG would have been banned years ago. Frankly, what is obscene is that he got away with so much.

    The belief that this was orchestrated or contrived against someone we hate, or that we enjoyed it.. We are well aware of how this looks, believe me. Nor did we get any joy out of the ban or what happened prior to and after said ban. None of us did. We don't like banning people. We certainly do not set out to ban people because we don't like them or they disagree with the status quo. Far from it. We have a history of allowing the extreme opposition to remain to maintain some sense of balance and because they represent that extreme opposition.

    I get it, you disagree with how this happened. But if you are going to disagree, at least base it on fact and not on what you believe should be the facts and beliefs that are so far from the truth and reality, that it makes no sense.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Pretty much stopped reading after that (the rest of it is rather pretentious crap anyway). scifes, you have made your position and feelings on the matter quite obvious, and like any good woo-woo'er, no amount of actual fact or evidence is going to sway you.

    Let me put this kindly for you; if we were the "big bad untouchable moderators" you think we are... I'd ban you just for being a disrespectful liar and for a general failure to see what is right in front of you.

    Since we're not, you are free to believe whatever the hell you want to believe.

    Enjoy.
     
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  5. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    Bells always plays the gender card. Always. It's something I picked up long ago.
    Also she forgot to add the usual disclaimer to her links that you're not supposed to read above and after the linked posts, please take them OUT of the context they're in because we're not talking about the context here.
    I searched for that post where one of the older moderators said that you being a female wasn't the only reason why they made you a mod, but I can't find it, and can't be bothered honestly, won't change much.
    I was really hoping you'd stay out of this thread, reasoning with you was never easy, and you're so good at raising hell. sigh.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Why? So you can speak about me but not to me?

    Heaven forbid context is applied to any discussion...
     
  8. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    lol, thanks for putting it "kindly" for me.
    If Saddam was a tyrant, he would've slaughtered his family and poisoned his people.
    Since he's not, his family lived and his people weren't poisoned.
     
  9. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Pretty poor comparison to try and draw, since he did poison several hundred people... or do you also subscribe to the notion that he and his regime DIDN'T utilize chemical weapons against the kurdish population?
     
  10. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Says the guy who offered us this gem some time ago:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...d-quot-World&p=3065795&viewfull=1#post3065795
     
  11. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    parmalee, thank you for bringing that little tidbit up... it reminds me of exactly the kind of "person" we are dealing with...
     
  12. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    No, this thread was meant to be a farewell thread to Lightgigantic, not a debate of his banning circumstances, unless maybe in a story-telling/mentioning sort of way, but not with the intent of changing it, cause that's too serious, it'll never end, and will result in nothing.
    As I said, , I only saw that he was permabanned for sexual harassment(among the more "acceptable" two), read somewhere about a "blow job" comment and Bells, by then I heard all I had to. the details Honestly didn't interest me, I did not, and hope not, to change the verdict, cause I know such an endeavor would be in vain and would waste everyone's time.
    I wanted to say good bye, pay my respects, leave a tribute, whatever. the terms of his banning were slightly relevant, you were one of those terms, but not the main one, and to involve you(or others) to come defend themselves would kinda derail this thread.
    :bugeye:
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *shakes head* And the backpedaling begins...
     
  14. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Just check out the thread from whence it came--you'll find loads of stomach-churning fare.
     
  15. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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  16. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    When I was willing and able to put some of his, erm, shortcomings aside, I was very much appreciative of some of LG's postings in this regards. Whilst not the primary focus, "religious studies" did form a significant portion of my graduate work. However--and I've noted this before, as have a handful of others--LG tended to be a tad sloppy with respect to translating from one idiom to another, and this was particularly true with regards to philosophy proper. In philosophy, esp. continental thought, concepts and terminology are hardly standardized--stringently, that is; nevertheless, deviations are only slight and seldom (never?) are words and ideas rendered as wholly meaningless outside of a particular context.

    My point being that LG did not seem to respect this, whether out of ignorance, indifference, or some weirdly solipsistic sort of hubris, I do not know... still, what may very well have been some valuable info or insight was effectively rendered useless.
     
  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *shrugs* What you do in your spare time is your business...

    Oh, you're trying to handwave your "yes I'd rape a woman if I could get away with it" comment away?

    *snrk*
     
  18. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    aww come on, why would I want to wave it away, It's very pertinent to the thread subject and adds much more to its content than that I'm a bad guy, a person of a "kind" worth looking at on the side while running from the matter at hand.

    I am not ashamed nor embarrassed by what was quoted of me, slightly bummed that yet more irrelevant content has been posted on the thread, was gonna report it as off topic. but then I felt slightly flattered; that I'm being attacked instead of my arguments... yees, keep stroking my ego.. so that's what LG was on..

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    hope using the word "stroke" doesn't get me banned for sexual harassment too

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  19. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see how you can say it is irrelevant... you are defending sexual harassment, and here we have you admitting quite plainly that you would rape a woman you deem "beautiful" if you thought you could get away with it. It speaks volumes about your character scifes, it truly does. Though, I guess you don't rightly care about that, do you.
     
  20. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    and parmalee that post you linked to is exactly why my gut tells me to avoid bells(though i have forgotten that specific incident).
    and it's also a clear example of how moderators carry their weight about this place, somebody mentioned highschool before.

    James gave SAM 24 hours to apologize before she gets banned for lying about what he said like what bells did in the post you referenced. on the spot, no questions, reminds me of judge dredd.
    but I swallowed my pride and moved on, like undoubtedly LG has more times than he can count. if I was a mod i would've banned bells, because I felt exactly how james did. apparently LG couldn't ban them, so he did what he did(whatever that'd be, but it drove them mad

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  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Right... because having someone take your own words and use them to show your (lack of) moral character is TOTALLY the same as repeatedly telling someone they are better off simply giving blowjobs to people...

    you really ARE a sociopath, aren't you scifes? After all, you fit the definition:

    Yeah... I'd say that's a good fit.
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Revisionist much? For one, you weren't targeted because of your sex. You were targeted because of your hostility. You, as usual, took it upon yourself to slap disparaging labels on your opponents, such as "troll" and "misogynist" while implying they were stupid and/or disingenuous, among countless other ad homs.

    Secondly, no, there was no sexual harassment. EF was pointing out to you that in your zeal to be done with the trolls you were actually inciting them. Which is true. Your inability to adhere to the standards which apply to us "normal" members was perhaps the largest element of what made that particular iteration of the discussion so toxic. It would be silly to pretend we don't all lose our cool from time to time, but you don't seem to have any cool to begin with. Rather, you take a position, and then proceed to hurl accusations and insinuations at anyone who opposes you. This is your default, it seems. So when you, specifically, receive a bit of a refresher in how to deal with trolls, you shouldn't be surprised.

    I've never seen someone go so far out of their way to appear like a victim. I should run this back a bit...you weren't "targeted" at all. That's victim lingo, and you're no victim. You were--and are, and always have been--the aggressor. You have said some vile shit in your time, and that thread was no different. You give better than you get, and this is clearly an example of you needed to get the last laugh. And, thanks to our bumbling administrator's ridiculous decision to put this matter--[ur=http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?124255-Redux-Rape-Abortion-and-quot-Personhood-quot&p=3162892&viewfull=1#post3162892]one he himself dismantled[/url], referring to it as a "kangaroo court"--to a vote, you got just that.

    But we'll be here again. Time is a flat circle, as my childhood pen-pal Reggie Ledoux used to say.

    For one, LG wasn't the one who brought up blowjobs. That was EF. What LG did was refer to EF's post--which, as has been pointed out to you by numerous sources, was in no way, shape, or form, sexual harassment. I suspect LG's true transgression was referring to you as "hysterical," which you and your partner-in-crime Tiassa took in its worst sense. Because, viewing the world through the scope of your thug logic, words are only ever used in their worst sense. There can be no innocuous comment, because you'd certainly never make one. And when that got hung out to dry by James, you opted for Plan B, which was to hang EF's "crime" on LG. Clumsily played, and totally transparent, but given the shambolic state of the administration and moderator ranks, wholly effective. Congrats.

    Finally, you're strawmanning. Not only are you asking us to ignore context, but you're insinuating that the perhaps-inappropriate nature (again, context) of using the word "blowjob" in the workplace amounts to sexual harassment. It doesn't, but you knew that.

    It was. There's no hiding that now. It's out in the open. Hence the thin pretenses and subsequent rejiggering of the charges.

    As for the rest of this post...context, Bells. Try context.
     
  23. scifes In withdrawal. Valued Senior Member

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    Defending LG sexual harassment <-----> my character (volumes or libraries)
    Where's the connection?

    (I) am doing the defending of LG regarding the sexual harassment.
    If (I) am bad.
    then the defense is bad.
    mission "ad hominum" accomplished.

    I think feeding the trolls feeds your ego, but it wastes your time.
    What forum do you moderate Kittamaru? also you're one of the super mods right?
     
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