Good & Evil - Are They Real?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by darksidZz, Apr 13, 2007.

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I believe

Poll closed Apr 28, 2007.
  1. Good does exist

    33.3%
  2. Evil does exist

    33.3%
  3. Good doesn't exist

    66.7%
  4. Evil doesn't exist

    66.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Name a few ....let's have a look at them from varying perspectives.

    Is cutting someone's head off an "absolute evil"? Hmm, well, no, ....'cause there are a few extremist Muslims who do that almost every day! So ...cutting off people's head is not "absolute evil", is it?

    Baron Max
     
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  3. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Good and evil have always been religious concepts and have no meaning in reality. Simple, really.
     
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  5. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    To put it bluntly, the more rational members will say this (Theist members will say the opposite): "Good and evil are subjective" - Every rational person on the planet.
     
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  7. Rantaak Registered Senior Member

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    Boom. Good and evil are defined. Therefore they only exist as concepts created by human beings, existing as nothing else, since they are, even as concepts, completely subjective.

    Nothing exists definitively, except the consciousness.
     
  8. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    the reason that a theist would say that good and evil are objective is because god has an ontological status that the subjectivity of others cannot approach - even to use a mundane example, what the ruler of a country considers good and evil bears more of a result than what any other citizen may subjectively work with in terms of good and evil
     
  9. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    I know. Hence why I wash my hands to the matter. For those interested, however, I advise you look up Moral Relativism
     
  10. McMicky Registered Member

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    The idea of good and evil an ideal much like ying and yang or even karma. I find it hard to believe these as a force but more of a state of mind to behaviour.
     
  11. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    "And so Lonestar, you see why Evil will always win...because Good is dumb..."
     
  12. miharu_br Sejamos idiotas! Registered Senior Member

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    good en evil are variable ideas. Something may be good or bad, depeding on de viewer.
     
  13. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    There are some almost universal evils. Killing children. That's just bad. And wasteful. They can be easily indoctinated to suit nearly any role you desire.
     
  14. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    Not wasteful, Nietz. The killing can serve a very large variety of purposes. And each depending on the context of the situation. The fact you aren't realizing them is a bit sad.
     
  15. miharu_br Sejamos idiotas! Registered Senior Member

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    he was thiking about a particular situation. In general, has several utilities. for example:
     
  16. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    you made a fucking poll about a serious philisophical question!?!??!
     
  17. miharu_br Sejamos idiotas! Registered Senior Member

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    hehehe, don't take me seriously. I was trying to show both sides in a situation. So sorry.
     
  18. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Saying evil doesnt exist is like saying 'the will to harm' doesnt exist.

    Its most concise definition.
     
  19. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    the will to harm is not always evil, for it can have good goals.

    That was a very weak attempt, Carcano.
     
  20. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    You are confusing 'harm' vs. 'the will to harm'.
     
  21. Jeremyhfht Registered Senior Member

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    The same principle applies.
     
  22. lightgigantic Banned Banned

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    then the differences between an atheist and a theists understanding of good/evil vs objectivity/subjectivity lies in th e understanding of the word 'god' - one thinks god is a term relative to culture and the other thinks that culture is a term relative to god
     

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