Good morning, paddoboy. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Fair's fair, mate. Just a few posts back, Lakon posted this: ---and this: ---which indicates clearly to me that Lakon is, at this juncture, quite properly and efficiently wishing to concentrate exclusively on following ONLY the side-discussion involving that particular simple 'bottom up' non-SR/GR counter-example put by Russ Watters to chinglu so as not to leave chinglu any more wiggle room to claim something about SR/GR being 'wrong' etc, since Russ's example is simple logic and clock based, and nothing else. It is the speedy resolution of that 'bottom up case' exchange between chinglu and Russ that Lakon is interested in now, since he has seen all the ither exchanges which chinglu has not been dissuaded by (who knows why?), and so Lakon just wants to see this particular 'non-wiggle room' exchange between chinglu and Russ resolved without any further cross-talk which may delay that resolution unnecessarily. paddoboy, it has long been established policy of this site now to disapprove of posters bringing into a discussion 'baggage' from other threads/sites regarding a person. Posts should keep to the OP points/disagreements per se in any particular thread/discussion, not the person's alleged motives or past successes or failures in other contexts. Otherwise it ends up becoming a shrill and emotional 'social media tit-for-tat' triviality rather than remaining dispassionately and scrupulously objective and patient (whatever one may think of the 'other person' that might frustrate and enrage you 'personally' Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ). As I read Lakon (see above quotes indicating clearly his stance), Lakon simply desires a 'fair go' for that particular simplified 'bottom up example' exchange between Tuss and chinglu. That's all. So, for the sake of this one last ditch effort on the part of Russ and Lakon to elicit the final agreement from chinglu regarding that 'bottom up' example, I strongly suggest, as a friend and fellow Aussie objective enquirer into the universal physics, that you hold off on any further commentary until chinglu makes his final (at this point inevitable) agreement to the counter-points argued by all the counterposters (especially Russ, who exchange with chinglu is clearly only what Lakon is most interested to see concluded). So take it easy, mate, and maybe pause in your commentary here?...and spend some time in other discussions while Lakon waits to see what chinglu comes back with and then Lakon can finally rule a line under this discussion fully convinced of who is making what mistake here, and where and why the confusion arose in the first place in chinglu's perspective in all this. Cheers and take it easy, paddoboy, Lakon, chinglu, Russ, everyone! Good luck all. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! PS to Lakon: I trust I have read your posts/intents correctly, mate? If not, please correct me at your earliest convenience. Cheers! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!