Gravity slows down time.

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by chinglu, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. Lakon Valued Senior Member

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    Chinglu, Thanks again for above the reply.

    I note your Yes, perhaps if one lived on Saturn, you might use those rotations, why not?

    So we would have a different time reality on Saturn.

    I do have more to say about this, but will leave it in abeyance at the moment. I really need first, to see your specific response to RW's post #759 - that's really important for my understanding. I know you probably think you have answered it somewhere in the above several posts, but it's not clear to me, and my mind in these things is quite simple, so please, it won't take you much to click onto that post (#759) and provide a direct answer to RW, as also, I do not want to be seen to be arguing his point. Thanks.
     
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  3. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    troll
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I came in for one reason Undefined.....And that was the village Idiot firing another shot across my bows.
    If he wants to keep playing, I'll oblige.


    PS; He says he has me on ignore, but I don't believe it for one minute.....

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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Why?????
    That's what great men do if and when they come up with an innovative, Imaginary, beneficial idea........
    Why come here if you are so sure you have discovered a flaw in SR?
    These forums do attract pseudoscience and conspiracy pushers, so show us all you are not one of them.........or otherwsie the "troll "tag is reversed.

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  8. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    This issue here is showing the OP is false.

    You have not done that.
     
  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Who said it was false????
    It's patently true and factual.....


    Again, if you are so sure of your claims invalidating SR/GR, get it peer reviewed.
    Why come to a pseudoscience forum, with such Innovative vast knowledge?


    The OP

    Gravity slows down time.
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Other then the heading of course, the rest of your OP, has been invalidated on 40 pages with over 780 posts.
    You think you would have learned by now.
     
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  13. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Neither of those are true. Time is not a complicated concept from a functional standpoint and you have not answered the question which was to define what a clock is/does.

    Since you don't even have an elementary-school understanding of what time is and how it works, it is unsurprising that the more complicated issues in Relativity escape you.
     
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  14. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Again: leap seconds are not applied to GPS clocks. I was trying to be concise so you wouldn't have trouble following it, but here is the entire sentence:
    You really should check the link if you don't believe me. Or find your own.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Timekeeping
    [edit] Oh, well, you did have your own, but you didn't read it:
     
  15. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, we base our concept of "LOCAL" time on familiar astronomical events for conveniance sake...absolutely 100% correct.
    But as you suggest, I could also get a clock and base its concept on the number of time I move my bowels per day...This is quite a regular systematic occurrence.

    Now for the sake of this exersise let's say someone else's bowel movements and clock are synchronised perfectly with mine.

    If he took a trip into deep space his bowel movements would still be in sync with his clock, but if by some magical means, they viewed me back on Earth, they would notice my bowel movements, although still in sync with my clock, taking a bit longer when compared with the travellers bowel movements.

    Both the other blokes clock and bowel movements [the travellers] and my own both still appear as normal within our own FoR, but when compared and brought together again, my clock which is still in sync with my bowel movements, is out of sync with the other blokes bowel movements and what his clock says.
    Time Dilation [gravitational] has caused the traveller's clock and his bowel movements to be slowed when "COMPARED " to myself and my clock.

    So you now can see that what "YOU ALONE"are saying about a clock being somehow tied to the Earth's movements, is nothing short of ridiculous.
    I could alternatively synchronise my clock with the time I have my meals each day, which is also regular.
     
  16. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    You can think what you want. But, I proved the human concept of time relates to the earth's rotation. That is what humans say a clock does. It measures the earth's rotation

    Your problem now is to prove that is false even given the link I provided for GPS.

    So, have at it.
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    LOL.....But the whole scientific world thinks that way, and operates on those observable effects everyday.
    You have shown nothing...you have proved nothing, in fact all that you have said in this thread has been shown to be in gross error.
    You must enjoy floundering in the well of ignorance.
    You cannot even get your own links in sync with your ideas....
    Arguing with you is like arguing with a 5 year old.
     
  18. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    Well, here is your own link.

    The GPS navigation message includes the difference between GPS time and UTC. As of July 2012, GPS time is 16 seconds ahead of UTC because of the leap second added to UTC June 30, 2012.[105] Receivers subtract this offset from GPS time to calculate UTC and specific timezone values

    Now, since GPS receivers subtract to supply UTC to the user, that is my view of GPS time.

    Either way Coordinated Universal Time or UTC is as follows

    The current version of UTC is defined by International Telecommunications Union Recommendation (ITU-R TF.460-6), Standard-frequency and time-signal emissions.[2] and is based on International Atomic Time (TAI) with leap seconds added at irregular intervals to compensate for the slowing of Earth's rotation.[3] Leap seconds keep UTC within 0.9 seconds of UT1.[4] In the 41 years up to and including 2012, a total of 25 leap seconds have been added; the most recent was added on 30 June 2012.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time

    So, as you can see, humans measure time according to the earth's rotation as I said.
     
  19. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    The fact is that the traveling twin witnessed 12 earth orbits and so did the stay at homer twin. So the both lived 12 earth orbits of time.
     
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    Double post removed. Thanks.
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Correct observation, wrong interpretation as usual.
    They were in different FoRs, and one clock was gravitationally time dilated, so they both saw 12 Earth orbits at different recorded time intervals [both biologically and mechanically].

    But that has been told to you now in over 796 posts and 40 pages.
     
  22. chinglu Valued Senior Member

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    They can be in whatever they want.

    Astronomical observations based on science say the both lived 12 earth orbits.

    Are you claiming that astronomical observations are invalid?
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Again, as has been told to you in near 800 posts, they may see the same number of Earth Orbits, but because one is in another FoR, they see the same number of Earth orbits at different rates both biologically and mechanically.
    This has been validated every day since 1905....
     

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