Great victory over political correctness and leftist propaganda

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Ultron, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Ultron Registered Senior Member

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    Trump is far from perfect candidate for president, but I would like to point out important aspect of this election. It seems to me that one of the factors which brought down Hillary is that people are already tired by leftist - political correctness - pro immigration - gender - positive discrimination - false racist accusations - LGBTI - propaganda shoved down their throats every single day from 90% of "mainstream" media, scores of leftist activists and "standard" politicians. All the rigged polls presented by “mainstream” media tried to show that Trump has no chance to win. Majority of "mainstream" media have totally pushed anti Trump propaganda and used standard leftist false accusation tactics naming Trump racist, misogynist and so but the result of election clearly showed that majority of people in US simply don’t believe the mainstream media propaganda anymore.

    I hope more people will follow Trumps example and show middle finger to the leftist propaganda and more people will stand up and fight leftist “activists” if they try to gang up on somebody using false accusations.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    See... this is exactly the kind of thing that terrifies me. I am legitimately scared for the safety of my non-white, non-straight, and/or non-christian friends and associates...
     
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  5. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    You should be. Because in a year, it might be seen as a duty to kill at least one white, college-educated American man.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Yes. It looks like there has been something of a backlash by people wanting to assert their racism, religious bigotry, sexism and xenophobia. Trump has re-legitimised the free expression of such things in the public sphere.

    I suspect that the election of Trump might have more to do with people feeling left out of the American dream, though - that feeling that the government is not doing anything for them, but is serving other interests. Whether Trump can, in fact, do anything to address those issues, is something that remains to be seen. He has a very hard road ahead of him.

    The question of what went wrong with the polls is an interesting one, if indeed they got it wrong. My own suspicion is that a Trump win was probably within the margin of error on most of the polls taken just prior to the election.

    Speaking of rigged polls, though, I hope the Democrats do a thorough job of vetting the voting machines and the like, to make sure that election result is legitimate. Consider that Russian hacking of the DNC's emails, for example. If they can do that, how about voting machines? (Ooh, conspiracy alert!)

    There's no need to believe the media regarding Trump's racism and misogyny. You only need to watch what he actually said in speeches and in interviews.

    It's no wonder that Trump supporters hate the media, though. With 500 newspaper endorsements across the country for Clinton compared to 25 for Trump, you have to come up with some reason why they'd do that. Possibilities: (1) newspaper editors are all idiots; (2) there's a grand conspiracy of "the media" to try to rig the election; (3) editors are all tree-hugging lefty communists; (4) there was some other good reason to prefer Clinton over Trump. Since the answer couldn't possibly be (4), the other options are obviously the most likely.

    Y'all have fun with that. Let's hope Trump lives up to all your hopes and actually delivers meaningful results for the disgruntled. Let's hope that a year or so into his Presidency the people who voted for him aren't regretting it and wishing they listened to the stupid liberal editors.
     
  8. Kittamaru Now nearly 40 pounds lighter. Staff Member

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    I'm curious - how do you figure? (or are you referring to Trump?) Sorry... my mind is still mired in the fact that this is actually happening and that this country is really this ready to embrace racism and divisiveness...
     
  9. PhysBang Valued Senior Member

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    If visible minorities in the USA will be treated the way that Trump has treated them and the way that his supporters want to treat them, then these people have little use for the democracy of the USA. They may respond as people do when democracies fail.
     
  10. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    And that's fine. Not because I would like any of that racist, sexist content, but because of "political correctness" method of fighting it was fatal - not by argumentation about the content, but by exclusion of those with other opinions from the public discussion.

    But it will take many years to get rid of that. The reallow open discussions about various questions which have been possible in the 90s (when I was fascinated with Western freedom of speech after the collapse of communism) but seem almost impossible now.
    Among the Trump voters are at least many who simply don't want the government manage their lifes, and are in no way hoping for even more government. Those poor who hope for more government - the blacks in the inner cities - have voted for Clinton, not?
    It is a general pattern during the last years - polls before the election are faked in direction of the politically favored result.
    No. newspapers are controlled by the establishment, and the establishment wanted Clinton. Trump presented himself as anti-establishment (if he really is, we will see), and the Trump-voters hated the establishment, and, therefore, do not trust the media, so they preferred Trump.
    Don't hope. Once media are discredited as liars, it is very difficult, if not almost impossible for them to recover trust.

    This was a classical anti-election. Trump was elected because he was not supported by the lying media, not supported by the establishment, did not follow the prescriptions of political correctness. Once you elect Trump for these reasons, not for something he promised, why would you regret? The worst thing he can do is simply to submit to the establishment, doing the same what Hillary would have done. That would be no reason to regret.
     
  11. Ultron Registered Senior Member

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    No, I think majority of people realises that for example it is stupid to call Trump racist because of his anti muslim opinions. It is clear to most people that Muslims are members of religion and not a members of some special race. And they are fed up with leftist propaganda which is calling a racist everybody who has different opinion.
    And it is not a sign of religious bigotry when Trump is promising “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims” entering the country, because it is clearly motivated by decreasing dangers of terrorism and not about religious discrimination. It is almost certain, that he will not do it in reality, but he should be able to speak about it within free speech and not be hassled by leftist as racist, because enforced political correctness in this case would be nothing less than censorship of free speech.
     
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  12. ForrestDean Registered Senior Member

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    Hehe, well it sounds like you guys had fun last night. I guess at least half the country is in celebration while the other half is in mourning. ROFLOL

    So from what I hear I guess we can now at least "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN", and screw the rest. LOL
     
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  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Because all Muslims are terrorists, right?

    But that's not bigotry; it's just a fact. Or something.
     
  14. The God Valued Senior Member

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    I had predicted few months ago in one of the early threads that he would win. The reason is quite simple...

    After very recent terrorist attack in paris France, and wide spread awareness that in terrorist attacks one particular community people are involved. People got jittery wanted safety, not that anyone claimed that all Muslims are terrorists.

    Trump stated something very boldly which no other politician could, even though wanted to. This played rightly with the psyche of non Muslim communities, and despite everyone's public posturing they voted in favor of a man who could get them safe from terrorism. Who cares about his romps; and who does not romp around.

    The only thing which Trump will do is to give preference to Americans (very legitimate) and screw terrorism without apeasing anyone (urgently required). He will inflict no harm to anything else. Rest assured.
     
  15. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Are you saying you want further restrictions on your liberties in order to better protect you from terrorism? And you think Trump will deliver that?

    Are you saying that you think that all Muslims are terrorists? How do you account for the nation of Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim nation and also a democracy? Why are there not millions of terrorists there? Why is the place so generally peaceful?

    Are you referring to his sexual assaults on women, or something else? Do you think sexual assault is acceptable?

    Preference to Americans - as long as they aren't Muslim Americans. Uh huh.
     
  16. Ultron Registered Senior Member

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    I have newer written, that all Muslims are terrorists and also Im pretty sure that Trump never did say anything like it. You are trying straw man fallacy asserting something I have never written.

    And regarding Muslims and terrorism, there are many leftist propaganda rigged statistics desperately trying to show that Muslims are not majority of terrorists, but real statistics not including for example pet activists broking a window, would clearly show that Muslims are easily majority of terrorists in last 15 years causing the biggest human toll.
     
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  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Well I am hopeful this will be an end to PC, from now on when ever I hear PC talk I'm going to be like "It is people like you that help get Trump elected"

    As for Muslims terrorism:
     
  18. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's not that the media was wrong in their characterization of Trump, it's that many people just didn't care. And technically, the majority voted for Hillary, as she won the popular vote. It's time to get rid of the electoral college.
     
  19. Schmelzer Valued Senior Member

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    Some Russian reactions (from various analysts I like, not mass media).

    1.) One is happy about the decrease of danger of a nuclear war. With Hillary proposing a no-fly zone in Syria, and awareness that the Russians would not accept such a thing, the probability of a Russian/American war in Syria was quite high. And in such a war, escalation toward a nuclear war would be a real danger. This danger seems over.
    2.) Fun observing how a lot of pro-American puppets around the world look deeply depressed now. Especially for the Ukrainian Nazis this was really bad news. The Russian pro-Western opposition is also in extremely bad mood.

    Essentially, this is already all. Nobody expects that negotiations with Trump will be easy, or that he will be a really good friend of Putin or so.
     
  20. The God Valued Senior Member

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    Restrictions will go away once the terrorism is eased out. Trump will deliver that. I am not saying that all Muslims are terrorists, but unfortunately Islamic terrorism has become a key word. Indonesia is not spared either, there are terrorists attacks there too, of course certainly not proportional to the Muslim population, but I do not advocate that line that all muslims are terrorists.

    If a female comes after a decade or so that he did this to her. Then certainly her statements cannot be taken on the face value. What I am saying is that Americans did not find this issue so crucial to negate a person who promised to handle terrorism. Again I do not advocate any criminal force on women, but it should not be my word against her word.

    He is not going to treat american Muslims differently. All Americans would be same for him.

    The first thing within a month he will do is to check Pakistan, without worrying about arms sale or necessity of strategic covert alliance with Pakistan to have a local presence in the region against China and India. Thats him, he will play but not the politics.

    He is not going to do anything with Putin which can undermine American Pride, no side kick impression role for America.
     
  21. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Er, open season on whites (don't forget cops!) should make minorities afraid? Jeez, no wonder Trump won!
     
  22. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Not quite that simple; a not insignificant number of us voted 3rd part or non-voted, and many of us are ambivalent as a result.
     
  23. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Double-like.
     

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