Greatest Impeachement EVER!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by danshawen, Jun 7, 2017.

  1. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, so we have a reality show host who was not too bad, but then

    Someone made him president, through no fault of his own. This was OUR mistake, not his.

    He's not going to resign because there's no political advantage or entertainment value in that.

    Yet everyone knows, he has to go.

    Even though he plays the part of a bully and an ignroramus better than anyone has ever done it before, this cannot go on like this. It's dangerous, for both him and our country.

    What do you imagine would be the scenario that is likely to produce the least harm, both to Trump and to us?

    We don't want this to end badly. We made a mistake, so let's fix it. The voters who elected him deserve to get something out of this. Would Pence as his replacement be good enough? For everyone but Ted Nugent or Sarah Palin, that is. No one cares how ticked off they would be, right?

    What is the best way to end this?

    Note: the misspelling of "impeachment" was intentional. It is impeachment, but with added entertainment value (an extra 'e'), including betting on the outcome, the proceeds of which to be used as a trust fund to compensate Mr. Trump for all of the financial trouble the American people and their obstinate and miscreant government have caused him during his short apprenticeship as president.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Well some of us made a mistake, but most of us didn't.

    Impeachment is the best way to end this. Trump will not willingly resign.
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you persist in your impeachment fantasies?

    Is it likely that: You may just be prolonging your suffering by posing fantasy resolutions?
     
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  7. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    It's just entertainment. That's about all it's any good for.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Who is fantasizing comrade? Trump's covering up something or somethings. That's why he has been and remains the least transparent POTUS for at least 50 years. His corruption isn't going away. Trump cannot change who he is anymore than zebra can become a lion.
     
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  9. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    So what's the process, assuming he is impeached and/or otherwise leaves office?
    Would the VP simply take over?
    If he is impeached due to, let's say, Russian involvement in getting him elected, would or could there need to be another election?
     
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  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    If you must live in a dream world, do try and not make it a nightmare.
     
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  11. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    It's already a nightmare. We're trying to find an easier way to wake up.
     
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  12. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Or, you could just sleep for another 7 years?
     
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  13. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    It really cannot happen that way. No matter what else happens, Trump will not be charged with treason. Gross incompetence would invoke the 25th ammendment, and this would outrage his political base. His party wouldn't want that.
    Like it or not, this will come to a head in 2018, the next election year. He isn't going to be nominated for a second term.

    If the Democrats get control of the House or Senate in that election, a long, very messy impeachment process is inevitable. In the mean time, we have no effective executive leadership.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you persist in your fantasy that Trump (and this entire administration) is anything remotely close to being respectable and reputable in the world stage? Why do you think Trump and Co has any business being in the positions they are?
     
  15. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Nixon resigned for Watergate, and that wasn't any worse. It's a real possibility.
     
  16. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The VP would simply take over...no new elections. The House of Representatives would draw up articles of impeachment. A trial would be held in the Senate and overseen by the chief justice. If convicted by the Senate, Trump would no longer be POTUS and Pence would immediately become POTUS. Pence could then appoint another vice president. If he did, his appointee would need to be ratified by the Senate.

    Of course Trump could resign at anytime. Resignation could help Trump save some face and a pardon promise might provide some additional incentive for Trump to resign. Only one president has resigned from office, and that was Richard Nixon and he did so under the threat of impeachment.

    Once impeached, i.e. indicted by the House, Trump will have the option of fighting it out in the Senate. I expect at that point congressional Republicans will advise Trump to resign. He may heed their advice and save whatever face which might be possible or fight it out. It's difficult to know what path Trump will take. We do know whatever path he takes Trump will continue to promulgate the notion that he is somehow the victim in all this. The cult of victimhood is integral to the Trump brand. Trump will do anything to avoid being branded a looser. His narcissism will simply not allow him to be branded as a loser.

    No American POTUS has ever been removed from office by Congress through impeachment. Only two American presidents have ever been impeached and they both were acquitted in the Senate. Nixon would have been impeached, but resigned under the threat of impeachment. Articles of impeachment had been prepared for his impeachment.

    There will not, under any circumstance, be a special election for the POTUS. There is a long presidential chain of succession.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#House_of_Representatives
     
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  17. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds okay to me, as long as Trump is somehow compensated for our mistake. Fair is fair.
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    #America | #WhatTheyVotedAgainst

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    Click because soulless is as soulless does.

    Setting the fact that the current vice president appears to bear serious exposure in the Russia scandal—e.g., lying to the American people in order to aid and abet a deliberate and calculated betrayal of the United States of America on behalf of foreign powers—aside, yes.

    As to the latter, no, we don't really have a provision for that in our system other than impeacing Pence, as well, so unless Congress impeaches, the People have only an unreliable law enforcement structure vulnerable to tampering to make the stand on their behalf. Congressional Republicans, meanwhile, are more interested in aiding and abetting the apparent hostile operation against the United States by a foreign government.

    And, yes, this is precisely what Republican voters wanted. This is #WhatTheyVotedFor.

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    I agree it is a fantasy to expect that Congressional Republicans will rise to their American duty: It is a fantasy to expect enemies domestic should call off their intended betrayal simply because it's working.

    They are conservatives, inherently antithetical to the American endeavor.

    Support for impeachment is rising, but here are two meaningless thresholds: Recent numbers↱ put the split at forty-three yes, forty-five no, among registered voters; the buzz starts to wonder what happens, first, when yes overtakes no, and then when yes achieves a majority proper in the survey numbers.

    And the answer is that nothing happens, or maybe it does. President Trump has suffered the worst approval setback↱ of his presidency among Republicans, dropping three points overall, three points among independents, and five points among Republicans, whose support now registers merely eighty-two percent among people willing to identify with the Party. It's one thing for an msnbc host to suggest that a particularly awful press briefing this week was the moment we will all look back to, twenty years from now, to mark a threshold in Trump's turning tide, but if that's the case, and somehow proves out over the coming days and years, sure, the five percent drop in the period immediately preceding will stand out as suggestive at least. But as it is, Mr. Trump's approval runs over eight in ten among Republicans, who in turn hold the House of Representatives. Expecting members of the party eagerly touting patriotism and personal accountability—and who preach on about how government doesn't work—to actually do their damn jobs is, indeed, a fantasy. They are, after all, conservatives.
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    Notes:

    Easley, Cameron. "Voters Show Growing Appetite for Trump Impeachment". Morning Consult. 31 May 2017. MorningConsult.com. 7 June 2017. http://bit.ly/2s4uWWz

    Gallup. "Presidential Approval Ratings—Donald Trump". 2017. Gallup.com. 7 June 2017. http://bit.ly/2nfn8xS
     
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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because the alternative is to admit that he has been mistaken. And some people simply cannot admit that, ever.
     
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  20. danshawen Valued Senior Member

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    Comey: "Liar (about the reasons Trump gave for firing him)".
    "The FBI can get on with the investigation without me."

    Trump: "No collusion, no coverup, a leaker". "We will prosecute the leakers."
    Best of luck with that. Comey took the greatest care not to "leak" anything classified, and went on record to detail how he made certain of this. It is not for Donald Trump (or even Comey) to say whether there was collusion or not. Pressuring any FBI executive to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn was inappropriate, and while that's neither a collusion nor a coverup, it definitely was obstruction of an ongoing investigation that ended badly for his administration. So was firing Comey, despite lying about the reasons for doing so.

    Which is worse, a serial liar or a leaker who leaked nothing classified? Comey won.

    Trump just named the guy who helped Chris Christie coordinate bridgegate to replace Comey. The appearance is that he needed someone in charge of the FBI with experience in obstruction, and perhaps will also "pledge allegance or loyalty, or both".

    Trump claims "he will release the tapes" (translation: as soon as he's certain nothing incriminating is on any of them). Oh, good luck with that too. It didn't work for Nixon, who was a much better president than you, but a crook and a liar about being a crook as well.

    And it just keeps getting better.

    Reading between the lines:
    Comey is likely to remain a free and respected former FBI Director and U.S. citizen.

    The investigation into Trump's administration is free to go in any direction, and from this point forward, he and his administration will be under surveillance for collusion every second of every minute of his first term, and they are richly deserving of such treatment.
     
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  21. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Comey isn't even really a "leaker". As has been pointed out elsewhere, put two covers on it and it's called a book. It was his personal memo. It wasn't classified material and there is no "privilege" here.

    I don't think there are any "tapes" and if there were any that contradicted what Comey said, Trump would have released them already. We know that Trump, not Comey is the one mostly likely to be lying.
     
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  22. Michael 345 Home just over a week still jet lag sleepy Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not exactly sure when Comey wrote his personal memo BUT if it was stored on a government Computer

    sorry it belongs to the Govenment

    personal or not

    Releasing said personal memos (which are Government Property) is a no-no

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  23. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's ridiculous. If he has access to it, it's his personal property. It's his memo to himself. He was fired while he was in California but if it was only on a government computer then he had no access to it.

    It doesn't matter as it was his memory in the first place.
     
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