excellent question but very long answer(in short) maybe start a thread pm me when you do Antarctica has special treaty's of no mining the north pole/arctic is almost a street walker(american sex worker who is illegal & walks the foot path looking for casual clients & is open to any type of money making process & has no regulation & is accepted by all as a normal part of life & is exploited for profit & services accordingly) but reliant on shipping route access for many. Antarctica ... under pinning that is 2 critical human species dependent factors 1 global sea current circulation via the cold water from glaciers & ice shelf's in combination with land formations global fish breeding & migration relys on those cold process and clean routes interfering in either of those 2 process spells the end of modern civilization as we know it scientists have been quietly discussing this for over a decade or 2 but scientists dont run countrys greedy nasty selfish elitist politicians do(& psychopath corporations) all countrys that rely on fish as a food security staple will have a vested interest in not upsetting Antarctica i would suggest the sudden Russian fleet that was sent to Antarctica was in response to probably the usa suggesting it might mine Antarctica its very cold down there death comes quickly & easily to all life forms so its very expensive to maintain intelligent life
similar in regards to a resource hungry world hell bent on consuming itself to extinction in a perpetual act of bizarre cannibalism seeking to exploit the Antarctic as it wants to with Greenland. That said, it is not the mining that is the real problem here but the rampant global need to consume that is. China for example, has a real problem as it grows into a 1st world nation. 3 billion souls all needing high tech products renewed every year to the latest and greatest. eg. Not just electric cars but faster ones every chance they get etc...better phones 5G, 6G etc... Start mining in Greenland and the place will be destroyed with in 10 years and be nothing more than a stinking ammonia pit. A 60k electorate strong government is not going to be able to control the situation with out extraordinary help and no nation could provide such altruistic help due to their own consumerism. So once the door is open to mining by foreign nationals Greenland will not be able to contain it. The UN offers nothing as it is way too weak.
agree Greenland need to not issue any mining licenses to anyone & simply operate any mining company as a 3rd party contractor on site mining companies are stupidly rich so if the Greenland government runs its own mining company operated by its scientists then its a MASSIVE win for greenlands profit & its people & the environment win/win/win its only the whineymanbaby industrialist psychopath bullys that are crying demanding snow flake rights for fascists that will be making noises. owned & controlled by them like a canning factory obviously the irony in that is that capitalist assholes designed that very system to exploit employees and other partys so will claim they cant do it at an affordable rate & hike the prices up to try and scam Greenland into submission i was going to post something sea water mining for gold(example) emergent technologies etc Greenland could do a similar thing to geothermal vent mining you dont have to be getting huge returns if the return is consistent and long term in a high value material matched against a long term sustainable global partnership why reward whinymanbabymysoginist industrialist psychopaths ?
and if done properly it could ultimately provide towards a living wage for millions and a profit for Greenland ( long term investment ) but digging holes in the ground with out proper clean up like we currently do is very short sighted.
myth versus propaganda if you dig a hole you must fill it in when you have finished so filling it in is impossible so regulation is pointless so just let them dig the hole this is their methodology of propaganda(USA duopoly civil war culture) vent mining and/or seem mining yes, the idea from my perspective would be to remove the flow process as it comes out & mine the edges, so your effectively cleaning up the area then capping it to then mine the out flow. not digging holes into thermal shafts not turning thermal shafts into massive open cast pits my thought is the idea of effectively capping thermal vents to extract the trace minerals being vented just like open sea water mining for gold theory maybe it would be only possible to scalp the vent then cap it for electrical turbine power. in which case its still a win specially if they can sell that excess electricity to passing shipping as fuel(multi fuel) so you have electric ships re-charging (as an example)
and another wrinkle most paychecks in Greenland are from the government, heavily subsidized by Denmark. and The same people who want the mine(s) Want independence from Denmark and want all government employees to learn West Greenlandic (learn the language or get out)
Mr. Hyperbole Sensationlism strikes again! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Do you know how big Greenland is? And do you know how big a typical open cast mine is? It wouldn't even be a recognisable dimple on the face of the land-mass. The only concern is really whether the mine would be close to existing population centres and/or Unesco World Heritage sites. Other than that, it's for the people to decide.
Perhaps a tad over the top... lol But... (half serious) Do you know how big the planet Earth is? Do you know how long it's been since humans started the industrial age? Do the math and come up with a relative time scale for Greenland and I would bet it would be pretty damn quick to screw up Greenland as we have the rest of the planet. The industrial age started around 1740 in Britain. It has taken less than 300 years to place this planets human population on extinction alert. Suggesting only 10 years for Greenland is not that unrealistic, given that massive demand for resources generally and not just rare Earthers. Open up Greenland and or the Antarctic for exploitation with out significant sovereign control and a rapid ecological disaster is inevitable. IMO Taking into account climate change: Personally I do not really care, as by the time they get started with their mining, climate change will see the demand for commodities greatly reduced so it is all really moot...
cultural preservation is important to most cultures the key tool to maintaining cultural preservation is maintaining its language. so they make sense if they make it compulsory in school as a primary language and make English secondary it would be logical suggestions of Greenland people being "socialist" are maligned xenophobic cultural ignorance the culture is frontier experiential skills based technology with heavy cultural self definition in cultural centric foundational localism their culture is quite old and so in kinda xenophobic hegemony exists as a default of greedy superficial people. american "privatise or bust" is not a Greenland social moral value the culture is more aligned to native american indians very attached t the land & its food & resources. which is diametrically opposed to the corporate mining company's & their proxy & 3rd party investor influencers seeking to potentially create anti Greenland culture propaganda by suggesting they are more aligned with alt-right American white people and have only profit as an interest serviced by litigious regulatory exploitation for personal profit thats not true in theory assuming there is no Cambridge analytic types wheeling & dealing keep this in mind as an example of massive loss in an area that is superficially defined as abandoned and useless https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56350953 21,000 tons of spilt fuel from private profit lack of compliance to my point the lake would ... as the area thaws, becomes EXTREMELY valuable as a fish breeding area for caviar and solmon etc very very valuable now ruined costing lost tens of millions in fish Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sturgeon Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! i think i have only eaten caviar once and it was just a tiny taste for educational purposes. i believe it was some of the good stuff brought over as personal property hand luggage then gifted to an obstetrics gynecologist specialist doctor for being the GP birth doctor as a personal gift. super food oils(digestive & joints/cartilage)omegas(brain organs eyes nerves etc & cell building[critical cell construction materials]) & proteins(muscle building)
I plead guilty...... if the mine was owned by Chinese investors linked to the government of China ... .I would be much less enthused because the PPC have been playing very rough everywhere where they invest heavily.
IMHO In the best of all possible worlds, the Greenlanders would acquire the training needed to participate in the mining operation as experts instead of being exploited as low paid menial laborers. and Greenland would acquire the means to process the minerals instead of becoming a source for raw materials (if someone else processes your raw materials, you'd be lucky to get 3 cents on the dollar) but that ain't gonna happen (sigh)
china controls rare earths generally speaking usa have not only dropped the ball but have given away the family jewels crazy ! so busy fighting each other to control their celebrity TV programs all those American business people who sent their manufacturing to china now china is the production house now people are trying to blame china for american decisions and capitalist profit business leaders who is making those american business leaders accountable ? who is blaming china ?(why?)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03...lar-charged-export-electricity-grid/100026336 Great get everyone enthusiastic about solar panels and feed your excess into the grid AND THEN CHARGE THEM FOR DOING SO???? Great way to save the planet Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
its what some might term a "cluster-fuck" there is not enough resources for producing solar panels at a rate to convert to what the government can force. most solar production is in china where western industrialists have moved their western companys to produce cheap labor products to sell back to the western world for massive profits and almost no taxation meanwhile they blame china when it was western business leaders and politicians who allowed this to happen even encouraged it and invested in it. because electrical grid systems are publicly funded but privately owned the private electrical companies profit strip the income & wont spend any money on building or upgrading the system this profit stripping & wholesale piracy of the income stream from the core product has stolen the money that should be ready to use to invest to upgrade the system to allow it to manage power sharing on a wider scale. now western country's are struggling to build their own solar panel making factories while they play hide the sausage with who is going to pay for the new electrical grid that will be capable of power sharing. now those same business leaders including politicians are refusing to recognize the problem so they can pretend they are not to blame, while they game the ignorant public out of more profit and play a waiting game to hope they can cut n run before the people wake up to the reality. but they prey on peoples selfish nature while gaming the entire economy to reward greed Australia is the only country closest to an ideal political and economic model close enough to front line technology to be partially capable. (which was why i was so happy to hear elon building a battery factory there) you cant make a new electrical grid or electrical vehicles without battery technology development and production but it has conservative greed merchants spewing their anti development propaganda as powerful media political influence. so they play the big bad china song as if its all chinas' fault when china was just another mechanism for them to make even bigger profits and avoid government regulation changes & upgrades. it looks like the only possible solution to the power struggle dead lock deliberately blocking grid upgrade is new tech nuclear power stations which will effectively pay ransom money profit margins to those same people blocking the development and buy them off while the solar & renewables is inverted into the new system, assuming climate change doesn't simply remove the necessity first. for those seriously lagging behind in the subject material "rare-earths" are critically required for building solar panels and electrical grids the solution is right there but greedy people are standing in the way blocking it quite happy to watch millions if not billions die because of it. soo the new game begins of fake nationalist rare earth wars as proxy racial wars to divert the real attention away from the global needs and bad management & piracy & greed propping up agendas to margin call to the same greed merchants paying little media games & poking fun at renewable concepts and possible solutions obviously with green land melting it has probably significant rare earths however if Greenland melts there wont be the need for all those rare earths anymore as 60% of the population will be submerged(covered by around 10 meters of sea level rise at a minimum, it may turn out to be more like 30 meters or more) & another 25% of the worlds population locked in the middle of a food starvation war on a global scale.
It will be several thousands of years in the future(see mis 11) and Greenland will be filled with the world's largest lake and sapiens sapiens will be farming on the shores of the arctic ocean and on the islands of what was antarctica and We'll all be long dead
That would be nice but you cannot help it scientists disagree but the consensus is that Greenland was not ice free for over 1 million years, and perhaps 7 million years during mis 11, the southern part seems to have melted, but that took over 20,000 years---maybe 3o and a lot of rain at temperatures warmer than today
Oh we are helping it in a big way. We have helped it along to the tune of one degree C in 50 years. MIS 11 was only one degree per 3000 years.
How do you know anything? Cherry picking science to suit a fear based agenda on both sides of the fence is pretty much useless... One day science predicts 5 years before civilization seriously implodes, the next they predict 40 years. Gosh even Isaac Newton predicted the year 2060 and not before. But..... Find any scientists that makes a positive climate prediction beyond 100 years and you will find some balance...( if you know of any qualified positive climate predictions beyond 2100 I am all ears) Not that long ago people generally spent most of their lives attempting to build a better world for their children and their children's children etc...they designed and built with hundreds of years in mind they strove where they could to have something to gift their children upon death... any how you already know all this but since the start of the industrial age this desire to "live beyond your life" has diminished tremendously. Green land and other places are just as disposable as that empty plastic bottle floating away from the idiot who threw it in the ocean. Little wonder clinical depression is endemic in 1st world countries and societies treatment of their elders is generally so poor. The question is: What sort of world do you want your grandchildren and their children to inherit? And if the answer is "Don't care, I'll be long gone" then the human race is doomed to extinction and the assumption of knowing what happens after you die may hit you in the face big time...( or it may not but who really knows?) btw I am just as guilty as the next guy but at least I have insight into my guilt.
