Gun sales and safety both at all time high

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I always thout she ment it in a positive way... but aparently she was just projectin her own attributes cause she fits definition number 2 to a T... an i shoud have guessed sinse it was her an her boyfrind who named me "cluelusshusbund"... but i still love her tho.!!!
     
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  3. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Lucky her.

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    Yeah... an she still loved me to until i got a stroke an coudnt make good money anymore... but the straw that broke the camels back was her embarrassment of me bein in a wheel chair.!!!
     
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  7. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    While my sense of training impact on safety is from personal experience, here's a few things that might lend my experience credence beyond the purely anecdotal:
    OBJECTIVES:
    The purpose of this study was to determine if firearm safety training increased the knowledge of school-age children about gun safety.
    ...
    CONCLUSIONS:
    This study provides evidence that children do retain firearm safety training. The long-term objective of this research is to reduce the incidence of firearm injuries during childhood by teaching children how to be safe around guns.
    - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16027585


    Responsible Gun Ownership: Training and Licensing

    Soon after motor vehicles became popular in the early twentieth century, almost every European country and every state in the U.S. adopted a law requiring drivers to undergo testing and obtain a license before they got behind the wheel. Like motor vehicles, firearms require certain knowledge and skills in order to be handled with minimal risk to self or others. Yet there is no national requirement that firearm owners be trained or that they demonstrate any knowledge about the safe handling of firearms. Only six states have enacted laws of this kind so far.

    Laws that require an individual to obtain a license or permit for purchase or possession of a firearm can facilitate responsible firearm use by ensuring that an applicant knows how to safely load, fire and store a gun, and has knowledge of relevant firearms laws. These laws can utilize written and performance-based tests to determine whether an applicant for a license has these qualifications. These laws can also prevent access to firearms by unqualified individuals by requiring firearm sellers to ensure that buyers have the appropriate license.

    Massachusetts, for example, currently requires an applicant for a firearm license to receive training in: (1) the safe use, handling and storage of firearms; (2) methods for securing and childproofing firearms; (3) the applicable laws relating to the possession, transportation and storage of firearms; and (4) knowledge of operation, potential dangers and basic competency in the ownership and usage of firearms. Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, and Rhode Island have similar requirements. In California, anyone purchasing a handgun must obtain a Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) prior to purchase. To obtain a HSC, the applicant must pass a written safety test. In addition, subject to limited exceptions, all handgun purchasers are required to perform a safe handling demonstration with the handgun being purchased in the presence of a certified instructor.
    California law specifies various safe handling tasks the prospective purchaser must perform based on the type of handgun to be purchased.
    - http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-safety-...-for-a-more-secure-america/#TrainingLicensing


    This study sought to determine the impact of brief office counseling by family physicians on patients' firearm storage habits. It was found that 64% of the patient group receiving verbal counseling and 58% of the group receiving verbal counseling plus written information made a safe change in gun storage compared with 33% of participants in the no-intervention group, indicating a significant, positive impact of physician counseling.

    This study examined the association of parent safety consciousness in other household respects to firearm safety practices. Researchers found that general home safety practices did not predict safe firearm storage; respondents who used most of the injury prevention practices were no more likely to store firearms within the home safely than those who reported few injury prevention practices.
    - http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/hea...olence/LOK-IT-UP/firearm-safety-research.aspx
    The last one excludes general safety consciousness as a factor in gun safety.
     
  8. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe a podcast isn't the most accurate source:
    The state police issue licenses for the concealed carry of handguns to qualified applicants age 21 or older who pass a 16-hour training course. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Illinois#cite_note-3

    16 hours of Concealed Carry firearms training provided by an ISP approved Instructor.- https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/CCL.aspx

    What does the firearms training course consist of?
    A 16 hour training course must, at a minimum, cover the following topics:​
      1. Firearms Safety - a minimum of 1 hour;
      2. Basic Principles of Marksmanship - a minimum of 1 hour;
      3. Care, Cleaning, Loading and Unloading of a Concealable Firearm - a minimum of 1 hour;
      4. All Applicable State and Federal Laws Relating to the Ownership, Storage, Carry and Transportation of a Firearm (including but not limited to the appropriate and lawful interaction with law enforcement while transporting or carrying a concealed firearm) - a minimum of 2 hours; and
      5. Weapons Handling - a minimum of 1 range hour.
        All applicants must pass a live fire exercise with a concealable firearm consisting of:
        1. A minimum of 30 rounds
        2. 10 rounds from a distance of 5 yards, 10 rounds from a distance of 7 yards, and 10 rounds from a distance of 10 yards at a B-27 silhouette target approved by the ISP.
    Unless facing an armed attacker, the greater the distance of a self-defense shooting the less likely a self-defense argument will fly in court. This is why they train at average distances of self-defense shootings.

    Motor vehicle accidents are in the top 10, but where are the gun deaths?
    You're obviously conflating accidental gun deaths with gun deaths in general. They're not the same thing.
     
  9. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    No doubt. It seems that people interested in legally carrying are a bit more responsible.
     
  10. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    It seems like the Sun is revolving around the Earth -- that doesn't make it true.
     
  11. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Bravo! The most trivial post I've read in months.
     
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    When I was eight years old my grandfather placed a 12 gauge in my hands and asked "Is it loaded? I said" I dont know".. He said "Yes you do a gun is always loaded and never point it unless you plan to shoot it". I never forgot basic but way to go.
    Alex
     
  13. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    I was just mimicking your trivial statement. Why don't you back up your banal statement with a fact or two. Oh, I forgot. You're a Trump supporter. Facts aren't needed.

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  14. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    The graphs show the same trend over the same time period. So, once again, how do you account for the huge drop from the 90's to the turn of the century?

    Also known as "What's the next moronic objection?"

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    http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/accidental-deaths/

    While we're on the subject, let's see if you can pick out the problem most in need of a solution:

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    http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/us/gun-deaths-united-states/
     
  15. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    That's why I said it's a joke. The law was not enforced. Basically, any idiot can get one if they have the $900 fee.
     
  16. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    I have. Florida. Circa 30 years ago. Have they changed?

    Because if not, spidergoat is right - I saw the class composition and any moron could get one for a few hours of time and a few hundred dollars - even some esteemed members of Sci such as yourself.
     
  17. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    I was making an observation, not a trivial assertion. And you'd know I don't support Trump, if you paid any attention whatsoever.
    From your own link:
    "Fact: Only 2% of gun deaths are from accidents, and some insurance investigations indicate that many of these may not be accidents after all." - http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/accidental-deaths/#note-83-5
    So as gun deaths plummet, so would those potentially misreported as accidents.
    And just like every Obama speech about gun control boosted both guns sales and carry permits, the '94 assault weapons ban galvanized many people into exercising their rights.
    For one, those don't have mutually exclusive solutions. Choosing between them is a false dilemma.
    For two:

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    Can you support that assertion?

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    Florida law requires you to submit proof of competency with a firearm in order to qualify for a concealed weapon license. A copy of a CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION or similar document from any of the following courses or classes is acceptable:
    • Any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency in another state;
    • Any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
    • Any firearm safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, the Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
    • Any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of law enforcement or security enforcement;
    • Any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified instructor or by an instructor certified by the National Rifle Association.
    - http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Div...pon-License/Acceptable-Training-Documentation
    Apparently I live in a state with higher training requirements.
     
  18. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    All that bullshit... and still no answer...

    So, once again, how do you account for the huge drop from the 90's to the turn of the century? Get with the program Syne - answer the question.
    No, what I'd know is that like roughly half of his previous "supporters" you pretend to say "What? Who? Trump? What?" - while mouth breathing the talking points and knuckle dragging your way off...
     
  19. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Already asked and answered. But way to demonstrate your intellectual dishonesty but selectively failing to quote it.

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    And you're more than happy to make assumptions that enable you to demonize everyone not on the left-pole.

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    Habitual liars assume most people are as well.
     
  20. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Never happened. The huge boom in gun and ammo sales after Obama was elected happened independently of anything he said in any of his speeches.
     
  21. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    It's not particularly extraordinary, but yes, I'll give you a link to that episode as soon as I can find it.
     
  22. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Hearsay on a podcast doesn't really support an assertion of fact, e.g. "The law was not enforced."
    Still denying facts?

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    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/10/us/gun-sales-terrorism-obama-restrictions.html
    Can you remember what happened Dec '15? San Bernardino.

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    This matches a pattern we've seen plenty of times in the past: tragedy, followed by calls for gun control, followed by surging firearm sales. Interest in concealed-carry permits has generally followed a similar pattern. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...bama-gun-restrictions/?utm_term=.889a95ff9fbb
     
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