Gun sales and safety both at all time high

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  1. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. I will refrain from doing that. I apologize to the forum owners and its management folks. But I was just trying to teach (the unteachable?) what an ad hom really looks like.
     
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  3. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That only tells us what the term would mean if more or less correctly used - as if used according to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
     
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  5. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I'm pointing out that you don't. And in this case, unlike most of the many others, nobody can figure out what you intended to say.

    Meanwhile, a very likely explanation of falling gun accident rates in the US is simply absence of guns in the vicinity, and an even sharper decline in presence of guns near young and inexperienced people.
    http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
     
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  8. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely.

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    https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytim...wnership-statistics-partisan-divide-is-sharp/

    The young and inexperienced Independents and Democrats giving up their guns could account for the drop in gun accidents. Thanks guys, you're doing us gun owners a great favor by ceasing to skew the number.

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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Let the record show that the "Independent" classification (a significant source of Republican votes, especially younger ones) went with the "Democrats", and was rejected by the rightwingies present. And notice that few people actually "give up" their guns, barring financial emergency - that's not a graph of households getting rid of their guns, in the US.
     
  10. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Whether they gave up or quit acquiring doesn't change the trend, not the effect on gun accidents apparently.
    When the partisan leanings of independents were taken into account, 48% either identified as Democrats or leaned Democratic; 39% identified as Republicans or leaned Republican.
    - http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/05/5-facts-about-americas-political-independents/
    And?

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  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    As long as we are past the notion that the slipshod "conceal carry" requirements explain the trend, we might as well take a look at what does: the possibility that jumps from the data is that fewer guns are lying around the house where children can get at them, and fewer are being carried and used for anything. Increasingly, young folks don't own them, old folks pile them up in collections and take one or two of them hunting occasionally - the chance of accident goes way down when the gun isn't being loaded and fired and cleaned and so forth.

    Another obvious possibility is that suicides, by far the largest source of fatality by gun, are being more accurately counted - the inexplicable gun "accident" is now being correctly labeled more often. In such a large population of events as gun suicide, even a small proportional change in that evaluation can have large effects on the statistics of other categories.
     
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