Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject truce, pledge more attacks

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Radical, Sep 26, 2001.

  1. Radical Registered Senior Member

    Hamas, Islamic Jihad reject truce, pledge more attacks

    By Reuters

    GAZA - Palestinian Islamic militants rejected a cease-fire plan reached in talks between Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, officials said.

    Islamic Jihad spokesman Abdallah al-Shami said his group, which has been behind a spate of suicide bombings, would continue to attack Israel despite the forging of a deal aimed at ending a year of violence in which more than 700 people have died.

    Asked whether Islamic Jihad would continue suicide bombings, Shami said: "Resistance and Jihad [holy war] will continue and if the Israelis stop killing our civilians, we will stop killing theirs. But if they reject them, martyrdom [suicide] operations will go on."

    A leader of the militant Islamic Hamas group, Ismail Abu Shanab, said Hamas was "committed to resisting the occupation until it is removed".

    Hamas and Islamic Jihad oppose interim Israeli-Palestinian peace deals signed since 1993. They have been behind a suicide bombing campaign that has gained momentum since a Palestinian revolt against Israeli occupation erupted last September after peace negotiations deadlocked.
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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    <i>"<b>But if they reject them,</b> martyrdom [suicide] operations will go on."</i>

    <b><i>"But if they reject them..."</i></b>

    What the hell does that mean?
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  5. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    I think what he ment was if they ignore the palestinians every desire and dont kiss their dirty, warty asses, then they will continue to do suicide bombings. Well I'll tell you what, they can continue to do suicide bombings until theres not one willing bomber left on this earth.

    BTW I'm not surprised. They dont want compromise they want everything. I'm saddened that something like sept. 11th had to happen in order to open their (USA) eyes but hopefully now they realize the terrorists arent 'freedom fighters'.

    hag Sameach
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  7. Rambler Senior Member Registered Senior Member

    Step off son!!!! your people are just as guilty of terror in that part of the world as the Palestinians.

    Hey here's an idea what if Isreal got the fuck out of Palestine....hmmm no more conflict...simple ha?
  8. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

    Radical and Elbaz

    You guys really don't have a clue do you? Talk about bias... Tell me, who's trying to scupper peace?

    Israeli troops kill five Palestinians, rattling truce accord
    ATTENTION -death toll, CHANGES advised dateline ///

    GAZA CITY, Sept 27 (AFP) - Israeli troops killed five Palestinians in the
    Gaza Strip on Thursday, rattling a fresh accord to secure a lasting truce on
    the eve of the first anniversary of the uprising in the West Bank and Gaza
    The latest deaths came just a day after Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon
    Peres and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat agreed to work to consolidate an
    elusive ceasefire.
    They met under strong US pressure for a drop in regional tensions, viewed
    as crucial to its bid to pull together a global coalition against terrorism in
    the wake of the September 11 terror attacks.
    Hospital sources said Ali Salem Abu Balima, a 24-year-old man with
    psychiatric problems, was riddled with seven bullets after apparently
    approaching soldiers guarding the settlement of Kfar Darom.
    And a 15-year-old boy, Muawieha Ali Nahal, was struck by several bullets in
    the chest near Rafah, a flashpoint in the southern Gaza Strip near the
    Egyptian border, the sources said.
    Another three Palestinians died in Israeli tank fire earlier Thursday and
    more than 30 others were wounded, including five youths, during an army
    incursion in the same sector.
    The tanks fired with heavy machine-guns and cannons on a nearby refugee
    camp, Palestinian security sources said. Eight houses were destroyed by
    Israeli bulldozers, which also took part in the incursion launched overnight.
    A total of 827 people have now been killed in the intifada, or uprising,
    which broke out on September 28, 2000, a tally which includes 635 Palestinians
    and 169 Israelis.
  9. Radical Registered Senior Member

    do i needa remind you that mortars were fired before the Israeli retaliation.
  10. Radical Registered Senior Member

    from http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=78048

    Four Palestinians killed in Gaza; mortars fired at Gush Katif

    By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent, Ha'aretz Service and Reuters

    A Palestinian boy running for cover from shooting in the Gaza Strip.
    (Photo: Reuters)

    Four Palestinians were killed Thursday and at least twenty-seven others were wounded in clashes with IDF soldiers in the Gaza Strip, including one man who has been declared clincally dead, Palestinian sources said.

    The violence comes despite a meeting Wednesday between Foreign Minister Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority Chairman, which ended in an agreement to uphold the newly established cease-fire. Israeli and Palestinian officials are to meet Friday in a meeting that will include CIA representatives, in an effort to renew the joint security cooperation that crumbled not long after the intifada broke out a year ago.

    Palestinian hospital sources said Thursday that IDF troops had shot dead a Palestinian teenager at the Rafah refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. They named the teenager as 15-year-old Muawiah al-Nahal and said he had been standing with a friend on a street corner when soldiers opened fire from a heavy machine gun atop a tank positioned at a nearby IDF post.

    Soldiers also shot dead a Palestinian man near a Jewish settlement in central Gaza. 30-year-old Ali Abu Blaima, described by his family as mentally disturbed, was shot by a road leading to the Kfar Darom settlement, the sources said.

    Three mortars were fired at the Gush Katif settlement bloc in the Gaza Strip on Thursday night. In addition, sporadic gunfights took place between IDF soldiers and armed Palestinians at the Neve Dekalim industrial zone, also in the Gaza Strip. No injuries were reported in either incident.

    In a separate incident early Thursday morning, three Palestinians were killed and at least 27 others were wounded, four of them critically, in a gun battle between IDF troops and Palestinian gunmen at Rafah in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian hospital sources said. A three-storey building hit by tank shells lay in ruins and several others had been hit.

    Members of the militant Muslim group Hamas drove through Rafah, telling people over loudspeakers to ignore the agreement by Arafat and Peres to implement a truce plan.

    Palestinian sources reported Wednesday afternoon that a 14-year-old Palestinian boy was killed and eight Palestinians were injured, five of them seriously, in clashes with IDF soldiers in Rafah. The clashes continued during the Peres-Arafat meeting Wednesday. As Arafat and Peres met, Palestinian teenagers threw stones at an IDF post five kilometers (three miles) from the airport. Soldiers responded with tear gas and live rounds.

    One of those wounded in Wednesday's shooting incident was a Egyptian policeman stationed on the Egyptian side of Rafah, which borders Egypt. Captain Amr Taha Mohamed, a police officer in his 20s, was hit in the thigh.

    Heavy shooting in Rafah after explosion in IDF post
    A powerful bomb ripped apart a wall at an IDF base Wednesday in southern Gaza, injuring three soldiers lightly. The blast occurred five hours before Peres was to enter the strip at a nearby crossing point. The bomb was set at the end of a tunnel dug from the nearby Palestinian town of Rafah to just under the Tarmit IDF outpost, military sources said.

    The IDF said that Mohammed Dahlan, head of Palestinian preventive security, knew about the tunnel that was dug under the IDF post, and in which 100 kilograms of explosives were set off.

    Heavy shooting begin in the area immediately after the explosion. IDF troops encircled the post with heavy APCs while Palestinians threw grenades. IDF tanks entered a nearby refugee camp, firing shells at it. Five Palestinians were moderately injured during the battles.
  11. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

    ...which was in itself retaliation for the death of a 13 year old Palestinian boy. Come on, you can do better than that! You must realise that getting into a 'who shot first' debate is pointless. We'd go all the way back to the 1930s!

    The question is one fo scale. A mortar attack warrants:

    The tanks fired with heavy machine-guns and cannons on a nearby refugee
    camp, Palestinian security sources said. Eight houses were destroyed by
    Israeli bulldozers, which also took part in the incursion launched overnight.

    5 dead, 30 wounded.

    Show some sense of reason. There must be one or two objective brain cells rattling around in there. Even you cannot condone the huge number of Palestinaians that have been killed or wounded in the past two-three weeks.
  12. Radical Registered Senior Member

    if the pals did not fire none of them would have died.
    the IDF does not go around looking for how many pals they r gonna kill 2day(if that was the case i'm sure more pals would have died kinda like in jordan in the early 70s or the xtian lebs falangas militia or like egypt in the 60s going out with mags(made in belgium?!) finishing almost the entire rafiach pal camp).
    I myself belive that automated repeaters must be installed that will detect any mortar source and within a milisec auto retaliate(bolo brigade rulez) by that either the pals will stop using mortars or Israel is gonna pay alot of money to the pals when they rent land for lunar training.
  13. Radical Registered Senior Member

    lets sum it up with this
    the real problem is that i am allowed to say whatever i want about Israel's policy,the way it treats the pals,or how bad the prime minister is.
    but arabs living in arabic/islamic/west bank,gaza and such are only allowed to say what ever they want about Israel.
    human rights violations for the world's nations the report is 4 the year 2000.
  14. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

    You miss the point completely.

    Is the Palestinian NA the greatest most democratic regime in the world? Of course not, far from it.

    But that has nothing to do with a legitimate effort to end Israeli occupation of their land. Simple as that. When they have a sovereign state they are in full control of, we can crtiticise their government as much as we like. Pick on human rghts abuses, whatever. But until occupation ends this is all beside the point.

    If we start legitimising violent occupation through a political beauty contest, then you basically piss on the notion of self-determination and sovereignty.

    It's like the old issue of slavery - whenever the ethics were considered, the excuse was 'but they can't look after themselves'. That argument just doesn't cut it. It's specious.

    If the Palestinians didn't fire they wouldn't get killed. Well if the Israelis didn't attack refugee camps and got the hell out of the West Bank and Gaza as the UN demands, perhaps they wouldn't be killed either. You're going round in circles.

    Has the policy of retaliation achieved anything? Have you taught the Palestinians a lesson? Have you bread more hatred?

    Israel is on a path to genocide. Ask Elbaz, I'm sure he's all for it.
  15. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

    What the hell is wrong with you captain Canada. You cant see past your nose. Do you realize how many of those palestinians were celebrating sept. 11th. They hate you me the USA every Jew on Earth. They dont want peace....the want to push Israel into the sea. Those who were sending Condolences down in good ol palestine wanted Israeli occupation. They were offered 93% which was considered by many too much. They dont have choice to say if they want to be in israel.......its too dangerous. They have violated the UN and its policies way more than israel ever has. They teach there kids to go and blow themselves up so they can be greeted by virgins. It's a corrupt nation. They want to push israel into the sea. They would bring bin laden into their homes and shower him with praise.

    If your such a palestinian fan then why dont you just move down there and see what its like. I've been there, I cant say the same for you though. Radical Lives there and he's obviously more informed than you.

    Do they have to poke brittain in the london eye before you get the clue. They dont want peace. They keep asking for more. And like I said----the more they blow themselves up the less of them there will be. If Israel has to assasinate some of them then so be it, I think the Israelis wellbeing is just as important as anyone in the UK.

    You call me Bias. Well then your dam straight. I'm biased for freedom and choice, as well as safety. The assasinations might be killing one but those assasinations would save many people from harm. I'm sure the US and UK would do the same.......which reminds me--they are!

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  16. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

    Calm Yourself Elbaz

    Why do the pair of you insist on changing the argument and piling on the rhetoric? You're doing just what Radical does, missing the point entirely.

    I am not alking about how democratic the Palestinians are in their administartaion of limited self-rule, or what they teach their children, or what they put in their sandwiches. I'm talking about the rights and wrongs of occupation, creeping annexation and international justice.

    Let me try and explain it to you in simple terms. If I stole your house and threw you out, and the court (UN) said I have to give it back, it wouldn't care what music you were planning to listen to, decoration you were proposing to put up or even crime you were planning to comit. Neither would the court accept my proposal to give all the house back except the bedroom or kitchen. It's a clear cut case - injustice has occurred, must be rectified, and whatever follows from the rightful occupant is to be dealt with then.

    Of course what has happened is that the toughest man on the street has said he likes me (the guy who stole your house) and prefers me to you. Now the court can't do anything because the police aren't strong enough to defeat the tough guy. What do you do? Hang around outside in protest? It gets you nothing but abuse. Start to throw a few rocks at the house? It gets you nothing but a beating, but the tough guy starts to worry because he likes a peaceful neighbourhood. So you try and talk to him, but he won't threaten the guy in the house so you're screwed. All the while he continues to deliver luxury furniture while you hang out in the yard. Then the guy in the house decides the place ain't big enough and wants to start building on the garden!

    Look, this has nothing to do with whether the Palestinians show you what you think to be the requisite amount of love or grattitude for, basically, screwing them out of their country. It's about justice, pure and simple. Now we can argue on the justice of the situation all you want. We don't need to have lived there or visited Jerusalem as a tourist to do that. It's an argument based on clear and distinct rights and wrongs in international society. An argument about international justice and sovereignty -self-determination and profit through conquest in the modern world.

    So if you want to stick to substantive argument, get back to me. The argument of 'I've been there, therefore my opinion is more valid' is below you. It's the old classic fallacy of 'argument from authority', which is the last resort of the weak intellect. I thought you were more capable than that.

    Oh, by the way - since you raise the issue - I have spent a good deal of my life in the middle east, speak and read Arabic, count many Palestinians, Egytpians, Lebanese, Israelis and Jordanians among my best friends and have studied the culture and politics to post-graduate level. Does that make my opinion or argument more valid to you? It shouldn't.
  17. VogueState Registered Member

    Excellent post, CaptainCanada

    I find myself in a similar position when talking about this with anyone in my family. Since they're Jews, it's almost impossible to even suggest the notion of Israel being at fault here. It's much easier to just presume that "your kind" is right and every last one of "their kind" cannot be trusted (or is outright evil).

    They don't seem to realize they themselves are perpetuating the holy war mentality. It also seems to be quite difficult to get them to grasp the *FACT* that that land belonged to the Palestinians before it was decided to take that land and give it to Israel (whose bright idea was that, anyway)? Thus, they are just as irrational as the fanatics on the other side; both sides seem to be content to be warring over a mound of sand.

    Israel, created as a Jewish state to help the victims of a genocide recover, has become something like the Nazis themselves. Food for thought.
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    If you don't mind some cut-n-paste...


    Adaptation of a Greek word meaning Land of Philistines. A historic region on the east coast of the Mediterranean Sea.

    600,000 - 10,000
    Paleolithic and Mesolithic period. Earliest human remains in the area
    (found south of the Lake of Tabariyya), date back to ca. 600,000 BC.

    10,000 - 5,000
    Neolithic period. Establishment of settled agricultural communities.

    8000 BC
    Permanent agricultural settlements appeared in Jericho.

    5,000 - 3,000
    Chalcolithic period. Copper and stone tools and artifacts from this
    period found near Jericho, Bi'r As-Sabi' and the Dead Sea.

    3,000 - 2,000
    Early Bronze Age.Arrival and settlement of the Canaanites (3,000
    - 2,500 BC)

    Israelite conquest of Canaan.

    1000 BC
    Palestine divides into the regions of Judea and Samaria.

    965 - 928
    King Solomon (Sulayman), construction of the temple in Jerusalem.

    Division of the Israelite state into the kingdom of Israel and Judah.

    721 BC
    Samaria destroyed by Assyria.

    587 BC
    Judea destroyed by Babylonia.

    539 BC
    Persians conquer Babylonia, allowance of deportees to return and construction of a new temple.

    333 BC
    Alexander the Great conquers Persia and Palestine comes under the Greek rule.

    323 BC
    Alexander the Great dies, alternate rule by Ptolemies of Egypt and
    Seleucids of Syria.

    165 BC
    Maccabees revolt against the Seleucid ruler (Antiochus Epiphanes) and
    establish an independent state.

    63 BC
    Incorporation of Palestine into the Roman Empire.

    70 AD
    Romans shatter Hebrew Statehood.

    132-135 AD
    Suppression of the Bar Kokhba revolt. Jews barred from Jerusalem and Emperor
    Hadrian builds a pagan city on its ruins.

    330-638 AD
    Palestine under Byzantine rule, Christianity spreads.

    Omar ibn al-Khattaab enters Jerusalem and ends the Byzantine rule.

    The Muslim conquest brings Palestine under the sway of the Islamic Caliphate.

    Palestine administered by the Umayyad chaliphs from Damascus and
    the Dome of the Rock ('Abd al-Malik, 685-705) and Al-Aqsa in its current
    shape (al-Walid, 705-715).

    Palestine administered from Baghdad by the'Abbasid caliphs.

    Saljuqs (originally from Isfahan) rule Jerusalem and parts of Palestine
    (officially still under the 'Abbasids).

    Roman Crusaders overtake Jerusalem.

    Salah al-Diin al-Ayyoubi (from Kurdistan) conquers the crusaders in the
    battle of Hittin, kicks them back to Europe and frees Jerusalem.
    Plaestine administered from Cairo.

    Mamelukes of Egypt take back Jerusalem.

    Palestine occupied by the Turkish Ottoman Empire.

    Palestine incorporated into the Ottoman state and administered from Istanbul.

    Moh'd Ali Pasha (Egypt) rules Palestine, Ottomans take over afterwards.

    First Palestinian deputies from Jerusalem attend the first Ottoman

    First Zionist settlement (Petach Tiqva) established under the guise of
    agricultural community.

    French Baron E. de Rothschild starts backing Zionists activities in Palestine

    First wave of Zionists (25000 strong) enters Palestine as illegal
    from Eastern Europe.

    Ottomans divide Palestine into three districts: Jerusalem (follows Istanbul), Akka and Nablus (follow the 'wilaya' of Beirut).

    The total population of Palestine was 500,000 of whom 47,000 were Jews who owned 0.5% of the land.

    Following the appearance of anti-Semitism in Europe, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism tried to find a political solution for the problem in his book, "The Jewish State". He advocated the creation of a Jewish state in Argentina or Palestine.

    First Zionist Congress (Basle, Switzerland) declared Palestine the Jewish Homeland. Participants developed a structure of government which could be transferred to Palestine at some future time, including the World Zionist Organization to link all Jews together, the Jewish National Fund to acquire land, a committee to manage finances, a political committee to govern the land.

    Fourth Zionist Congress decided to establish a national home for Jews in Argentina.

    JNF (Jewish National Fund) set up by the 5th Zionist congress to acquire land
    (in Palestine) and 'make it Jewish'.

    Second wave (around 40000 strong) of Zionist illegal immigrants arrive in Palestine and increase the Jewish percentage to 6% of the total population.

    The Zionist congress decided the Jewish homeland should be Palestine.

    With the outbreak of World War I, Britain promised the independence of Arab lands under Ottoman rule, including Palestine, in return for Arab support against Turkey which had entered the war on the side of Germany.

    November 2, 1917
    British government issues Balfour Declaration. Promising the Jewish people an independent Jewish state in Palestine. At that time the population of Palestine was 700,000 of which 574,000 were Muslims, 74,000 were Christian, and 56,000 were Jews.

    December 1917
    British troops invade Palestine capturing Jerusalem.

    The Palestinians convened their first National Conference and expressed their oppostion to the Balfour Declartion.

    The San Remo Conference granted Britain a mandate over Palestine and two years later Palestine was effectively under British administration, and Sir Herbert Samuel, a declared Zionist, was sent as Britain's first High Commissioner to Palestine.

    The Council of the League of Nations issued a Mandate for Palestine. The MAndate was in favor of the establishment for the Jewish people a homeland in Palestine.

    The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the confiscation of land and Jewish immigration.

    London Round Table Conference produces the White Paper of the Year which promises Arabs to establish an independent Arab Palestine in Palestine 10 years from the date, and eliminate the Jewish migration to Palestine to 1,400 per year until 1944, after which Jewish migration will cease.

    Jewish-British War. Jewish groups in Palestine try to expel Britain. Mainstream Jewish fighters under David Ben Gurion are called Hagana. They later become the Israeli army. Two separate military groups (Irgun Zvai Leumi led by Menachem Begin and Lehi or the Stern Gang led by Yitzhak Shamir) resort to assassination and bombings. Many British soldiers and Arab civilians are killed.

    Britain decides it cannot bring peace to Palestine and turns the matter over to the United Nations. In Resolution 181 the UN votes to partition Palestine into Jewish and Palestinian states with an international enclave around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Arab leaders reject the plan and insist on a united Palestine with a secular government. Fighting begins between Jews and Palestinians. Many Palestinians become refugees.

    Approximate population of Palestine: 1,650,000 Palestinians and 750,000 Jews.

    April-May 1948
    Massacres of Palestinians by Zionist groups Haganah and Irgun throughout Palestine.

    Britain withdraws from Palestine. The state of Israel is established resulting in the 1948 War on May 14th between Israel and the Arab countries. 846,000 Palestinians are driven out of their homeland or flee the fighting that accompanied the creation of a Jewish state. Only 160,000 Palestinians remain in Israel itself.

    Article 49 (6) of the Geneva Convention IV states: the occupying power (Israel) shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, it also rejects and forbids the settlement of Jews in the West Bank area.

    The Israeli government allows only a very few Palestinians to return after the war is over. By 1950, over one million Palestinians live in UN-supported refugee camps in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, and Jordan.

    The establishment of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) in Jerusalem.

    The Palestine "Revolution" began on January 1st.

    Approximate population of Israel and Occupied Territories: 1,660,000 Palestinians and 2,384,000 Jews.

    The 1967 War begins June 5th with Israel occupying the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem. UN issues Resolution 242 demanding Israel to withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Approximately 250,000 more Palestinian refugees flee, or are forced into Jordan. After the 1967 Six Day War, Yassar Arafat is announced the leader of the PLO.

    October or Ramadan or Yom Kippur War. Egypt and Syria attempt to regain lost territories. They push Israel back in the Sinai peninsula and initially in the Golan province. A massive airlift of US arms to Israel tips the balance.

    United Nations issues Resolution 338 reaffirming the rights of the Palestinians to self-determination and national independence.

    Yasser Arafat speaks to the UN exclaiming, "I come to you with an olive branch and a freedom fighter's gun; do not let the olive branch fall from my hand."

    The Arab Nations issue the Rabat Resolution which proclaims the PLO as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

    Menechem Begin becomes Prime Minister of Israel. His Likud Party traditionally advocates a "Greater Israel" including the West Bank and Gaza and perhaps Jordan with unlimited settlements of Jews in Arab-populated areas under Israeli occupation. Anwar Sadat President of Egypt goes to Jerusalem to open talks.

    Egypt and Israel sign the Camp David Accords. Israel invades Lebanon and seizes a "security zone" up to the Litani River.

    Israel invaded Lebanon with the aim of destroying the PLO. Tens of thousands were killed and made homeless in the wake of the invasion which culminated in the massacres of Sabra and Shatilla.

    The United Nations called for the convening of a Peace Conference with the participation of the PLO on an equal footing with the other delegates as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people.

    August 1985
    Israel creates "Iron Fist Policy." Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin orders troops to break bones, demolish homes, hold administrative detention, and deport Palestinians.

    December 1987
    Palestinian Intifada (Uprising) begins. Palestinians commit themselves to goals which include; Palestinians have the same rights as all other people including, the right to determine their own future and to live in security and freedom.

    Abu Jihad (PLO's number 2 leader) is assassinated on April 14th by an Israeli hit team. The PLO recognizes Israel, proclaims a Palestinian state, renounces terrorism, and calls for negotiations; as a result of the Israeli election. Yitzhak Shamir returns as Prime Minister. Following the United States government refusing President Arafat a visa to enter the US, the UN General Assembly held a special session on the question of Palestine in Geneva.

    June 28, 1989
    EEC Madrid Conference issued a new declaration calling for the PLO to be involved in any peace negotiations.

    May 20, 1990
    Seven Palestinian workers from Gaza were massacred by the Israeli gunman near Tel Aviv. Yasser Arafat addressed the UN Security Council in Geneva after the massacre in which he called for the deployment of a UN emergency force to provide international protection for the Palestinian people to safeguard their lives, properties and holy places. The US vetoed a motion which called for the Security Council to send a fact finding mission to the area. At the end of their hunger strike, Palestinian leaders in the Occupied Territories decided to boycott the US.

    June 26, 1990
    The EEC in Dublin issued a new declartion on the Middle East which condemned Israeli human rights violations and the settlement of Soviet Jews in the Occupied Territories. It also doubled its economic aid programme to the Occupied Teritories.

    October 30: Madrid Peace Conference is held.
    December 3: The bi-lateral talks between Israel and the Palestinians, Syrians, Jordanians, and Lebanese started in Washington.

    Yitzhak Rabin becomes Prime Minister of Israel.

    On September 13th Palestine and Israel sign Declaration of Principles in Washington, DC.

    May 4, 1994
    Gaza strip and Jericho Agreement in Cario.

    August 29, 1994
    Transfer of the power Agreement.

    September 28, 1995
    Palestinian Israeli Interim Agreement signed in Washington.

    November 4, 1995
    Israeli extremist Yagil Amir assassinates Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

    January 1996
    Palestinians hold first Democratic Election. Yasser Arafat is elected President of Palestine.

    May 28, 1996
    Israel elects Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister, who since has refused to implement previous peace agreement.

    September 1996
    Israeli government opens tunnel in Jerusalem going against previous peace agreement which states the Jerusalem must not be altered in any way by either side until the final status of the peace agreement has been reached.

    January 1997
    Agreement of the redeployment from Hebron.

    March 1997
    The construction of the new Israeli settlement of Jabal Abu Ghneim (Har Homa) started. Cease of the peace talks because of the continous of the settlements policy of the Netanyahu Government.

    July 7, 1998
    The General Assembly adopts resolution 52/250, entitled “Participation of Palestine in the work of the United Nations,” voting overwhelmingly to upgrade Palestine’s representation at the United Nations to a unique and unprecedented level, somewhere in between the other observers on the one hand and Member States on the other. The resolution conferred upon Palestine additional rights and privileges of participation that had traditionally been exclusive to Member States.

    September 1998
    In September, the latest Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics census indicates that Israel’s population has reached approximately 5.9 million. Of that number, 4.7 million are Jews, approximately 230,000 of whom live in settlements in the occupied territories, and nearly 1.0 million are Israeli Arabs. It also indicates that the population of settlers in the West Bank and Gaza rose by 3%.

    December 1998
    U.S. President Bill Clinton visits Gaza and Bethlehem on 14-16 December 1998, becoming the first American president ever to visit any Palestinian territory and to deal directly with Palestinian leaders and institutions on their land. During the visit, the President makes many important statements, coming very close to recognizing the Palestinian right to self-determination. The president is accompanied by his family and by a large official delegation which includes the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor. President Clinton addresses a meeting in Gaza which is attended by the Chairman Arafat, the speaker of the PNC, the speaker of the Palestinian Council, members of the PNC, the Central Council and the Palestinian Legislative Council, as well as by Palestinian heads of Ministries and other personalities .

    October 1998
    Wye River Memorandum signed by Israel and Palestine. The Memorandum dictates that Israel must withdraw from an additional 13% of and stop building settlements in the Occupied Territory. Palestine must fight terrorism and change the PLO Charter to acknowledge Israel as a state. Palestine complies…Israel does not.

    May 17th, 1999
    Ehud Barak defeated Benjamin Netanyahu in the Israeli election.
  19. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    So, Isreal was yesterday's Kurds?
  20. Radical Registered Senior Member

    do i really needa tell you about the palestinian mofti going and having meetings with adolf hitler and operation atlas?
    hmm guess so.
    Amin el husseini became in 1921 the great mofti of palestine.
    in 1939 after escaping from the british for some time now since he had an arrest warrent on him he went to iraq there he aided the pro nazi nationalist rashid ali el chilani to revolt against the british (in that same time a pogrom took place on the jews of bagdad) but the british took control once again and the mofti had to flee again.
    in 1941 while being in iran hiding in the japanese embasy(he presented himself as being on the run due to him being a religious leader that is being prosecuted for his believes) he got an invitaton from germany.
    on the 6th of november he went to germany.
    after going to geramany he got audience with adolf hitler and henrich himler on the 28th of november.
    in that meeting they disccused the jewish problem that had to be solved step by step.
    in later meetings he asked the germans that when they will manage to capture the palestina and arabic nations they will alllow the arabs to solve the "jewish problem" in palestina and in the rest of the arabic nations in the same manner that germany did in its pivot nations.
    in those meetings the mofti was promised that from germany's point of view he is the personality that his opinions are highly rated concerning the arabs and that he is the known leader of the arabs.
    the mofti on his part told the germans that he will aid the germans in whatever means he can .
    in may 1942 radio berlin started broadcasting to the arabic world propoganda against jews and against britain.
    the mofti still in germany did all he could to assist hitler in his destruction of the jews in europe.
    he went into meetings with all the europe nations gov branches in order to convince them to put a halt on the jews fleeing from the wrath of germany.
    the mofti also came up with a plan to put poison in the tel-aviv water supply system and by that killing all the jews in tel-aviv.
    the germans called this operation ATLAS a team was formed that was consisted out of germans and arabs ,the german aboher?(hmm a name something like that, it was the german inteligence org).
    started the task of creating the toxin which was packed in small canisters and looked like a white powder(which was oxedised arsen).
    before the operation the moftiwas told that if germany will come out the winner of the war they will deal with the jewish problem in the entire world once and for all.
    the operation went on its way on the first week of september of 1944 .the operation failed due to alen turing and his team(the ones that managed to break the enigma macine code) and the m.i.6 had a spy in the german's inteligence unit abohor.
    the info about the operation was known but not its exact date.
    but british police and army in palestina managed to track them and stop them.
    the mofti fled from berlin by the time the ww2 ended.
    and he went to egypt.
    in egypt he went on with his propoganda against the jews and called for islamic jihad in which all the jews in the world will be destroyed.
    after 1948 he did all in his power to stop the assimilation of palestinians arabs into arabic nations.his plan was to make all the refugees into army units that will fight Israel on the 2nd round.
    but the mofti did not have the same power he had in the 30s as a known leader of the palestinians arabs.
    years later still being in egypt the mofti kept on preaching for the final solution and explaining why hitler was right when he wanted to destroy all the jews.
    in 1974 he died bitter and frustarted.

    oh really?
    Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron slaughters of 1929 and later the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British, at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became obvious to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.

    846,000 Palestinians are driven out of their homeland or flee the fighting that accompanied the creation of a Jewish state

    oh really?

    i guess it had nothing to do with radio egypt broadcasting to palestine arabs to leave their homes because all the arabic armies are now forming to wage a war and are gonna drive the jews into the sea and the palestinian arabs will later come back to have all this land after all the jews were killed.
    the arabs that did not run are today Israeli arabs.
    the arabs that escaped right after Israel seemed to have the upper hand in the war fled away because they thought that the jews are gonna do to them the same they wanted to do to the jews(and that is kill them all)

    and a link: http://www.masada2000.org/pal-refugees.html

    the massacres of sabra and shatilla took place after the assasination of an xtian arabic lebanese leader and a former massacre of the village of damor in which muslem lebs and palestinian arabs killed and raped the entire xtian village damor.
    the xtian falangot militia entered sabra and shatila and started raping,killing all present without Israel knowing about those actions at that time.

    May 9, 2001:
    Syrian Defense Minister Dr. Mustafah Tallas asserted
    that killing Jews is a spiritual imperative for Arabs.
    "We live in a tradition of martyrdom," Tallas said
    in an interview on Lebanese television. "When I see
    a Jew before me, I kill him. If every Arab did this,
    it would be the end of the Jews."
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2001
  21. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

    The propoganda machine sparks into life!

    I now see how mistaken I, the UN, historians and everybody else has been in looking at the whole situation. It is all the Arabs fault after all! They are clearly to blame. For...uh, what exactly?

    They invited the Jews into a new country they set aside for them called Israel and then turned on them. Hold on, no, they didn't do that.

    They attacked a long established country. Um, nope - not guilty there.

    It was an empty piece of land which they suddenly decided was theirs when Jews began arriving. Checking back, no, that's not right either.

    They had an independent state and allowed immigration but then turned on Jews who were defenceless. No, I think the Ottomans and British were involved.

    Did they attempt to defend their country against an occupying outsider? Well....

    Well I can't deny that some Arabs had contact with the Nazis. It is, as far as history can tell us anything, true. Rather short-sighted I would say, the Nazis would ultimately have turned on them (being Semitic themselves). A pragmatic and desparate effort to safeguard their country's future I'd say after broken British promises, but not excusable because of it.

    On the other hand the Jews were busy blowing up British soldiers during WWII rather than enlisting and fighting the Germans. Tell me, do you defend that?

    You continue to miss the point of the genuine case Palestinians have regardless of their efforts to resist occupation. Don't attempt to hide the argument under propoganda designed to turn the oppressor into the victim. It is the Israeli tactic though. Try reading history rather than twisting it.
  22. Radical Registered Senior Member

    from http://www.adl.org/ISRAEL/Record/conflicts.html

    When Jews began arriving in Palestine en masse in the late 19th century, the land had an Arab presence. The number of Arabs in Palestine at the time and questions surrounding when many of the Arabs came to the land remain the subject of dispute among historians. The early Zionist pioneers saw the Arab population as small, apolitical and without a nationalist element and they therefore believed that there would not be friction between the two communities. They also thought that development of the country would benefit both peoples and they would thus secure Arab support and cooperation. Indeed, many Arabs migrated to Palestine in the wake of economic growth stimulated by Jewish immigration. They were attracted to the area by its employment opportunities, higher wages and better living conditions.

    Contrary to their expectations, the Jews were met with intense Arab opposition to Jewish settlement in Palestine. In the early years of Jewish immigration, individual and small bands of Arabs engaged in violence against Jews and Jewish settlements. As time went on, Arab attacks against Jews became more organized and more widespread. The British authorities often failed to stave off Arab attacks and refused to come to the assistance of Jews during attacks. Particularly brutal Arab assaults swept Palestine in 1929, of which the Hebron massacre, in which 67 Jews were murdered, is the most infamous. . . .
  23. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

    I was exploring the history there. That which I posted was a chronological history which had been retrieved from several online sources. Overall, the story and history of Israel reminds me of todays Kurds, a people without a land to call home.

    I feel that both the Palestinians and the Israelis have legitimate claim to the land. They just can't find it within themselves to share it.

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